Reducing competition when overseeding

[Llywelyn the last]

We have a direct drill on a Beef and sheep unit in West Wales , and do quite a few acres yearly . We have found the use of grass coated in Pronitro ,, which is a nitrogen coating really gets things going . However we Typically we have been spraying the grass off with glyphosate , before reseeding .
Ideally I would like to avoid using it , but need to make sure that the new grass does not get swamped by the existing .
Is there anything that can be used to slow down grass growth to give the new seeds a chance ?
I'm sure I have read of someone diluting glyphosate to such an extent that it holds back the growth .

All and any ideas welcome

 

[Jerry]

Would diluting glyphosate lead to a build up of resistant grasses and weeds??

I would be wary of that.

 

[ShooTa]

one of the Nicole Masters webinars she did mentioned something thats added whihc means you can use alot less .. i cant remember what the added thing was but it affected unptake into the plants.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Sheep??

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Where are you
If you email me I will give you the information for spray suppression , it does work as I do it a lot myself, who sprays for you ?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Where are you
If you email me I will give you the information for spray suppression , it does work as I do it a lot myself, who sprays for you ?
[email protected]

 

[betweenthelines]

Top it twice 5 days apart

Look at "12 Springs" on u tube

 

[Bury the Trash]

What about growth regulators , like the hormone type green keepers or whatever use... wont be cheap but would hold it back for awhile.

 

[JSmith]

Bare it off hard, drill it, then put the sheep back in a week later for a few days to bare it off again!! That’s what we do, you can see the new grass in the slots no problem

 

[neilo]

We have a direct drill on a Beef and sheep unit in West Wales , and do quite a few acres yearly . We have found the use of grass coated in Pronitro ,, which is a nitrogen coating really gets things going . However we Typically we have been spraying the grass off with glyphosate , before reseeding .
Ideally I would like to avoid using it , but need to make sure that the new grass does not get swamped by the existing .
Is there anything that can be used to slow down grass growth to give the new seeds a chance ?
I'm sure I have read of someone diluting glyphosate to such an extent that it holds back the growth .

All and any ideas welcome

What grasses are in the existing sward? If it’s just annual meadow grass then a low dose of glyphosate will certainly take it out. If it’s established couch, then anything other than a full 5-6L/ha rate, followed by another low dose 3-4 weeks later, is a complete waste of time, diesel and seed IME.

Even then, getting the seed established is only half the battle. Keeping it in the sward is a whole different ball game.

I have my own DD too, but have come to the conclusion that overseeding is rarely economical for anyone but the seed salesman.

Good luck in your endeavours to prove otherwise though.

 

[JD-Kid]

What grasses are in the existing sward? If it’s just annual meadow grass then a low dose of glyphosate will certainly take it out. If it’s established couch, then anything other than a full 5-6L/ha rate, followed by another low dose 3-4 weeks later, is a complete waste of time, diesel and seed IME.

Even then, getting the seed established is only half the battle. Keeping it in the sward is a whole different ball game.

I have my own DD too, but have come to the conclusion that overseeding is rarely economical for anyone but the seed salesman.

Good luck in your endeavours to prove otherwise though.

yep unless you can see alot of dirt or the paddock is that buggered any thing new would get a jump on whats there it's a dead horse flogging job

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Just remind yourself that a lot if hay fields naturally overseed every year, so God was doing it long before these exerts said it can't work,

 

[tinsheet]

Sheep??

Natures growth regulators.

 

[Farmertom1988]

Graze off hard
Drill immediatley
Shut gate
Graze off hard again 14-17 days later after drilling
Shut gate

 

[neilo]

Just remind yourself that a lot if hay fields naturally overseed every year, so God was doing it long before these exerts said it can't work,

How many kilos of seed to the acre is broadcast by a hay crop that’s got too old like that? Only a tiny proportion of it grows.

Those fat cat grass seed salesmen would love to have an order like that.

 

[deere 6600]

Have done a few literrallychase the chopper oot the field in with heavy roller wait a week mob graze few days then sheep out

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Have done a few literrallychase the chopper oot the field in with heavy roller wait a week mob graze few days then sheep out

How did it come

 

[Derrick Hughes]

How many kilos of seed to the acre is broadcast by a hay crop that’s got too old like that? Only a tiny proportion of it grows.

Those fat cat grass seed salesmen would love to have an order like that.[emoji1787]

How do you know what grows . Have you counted them .
If we all listened to ,it can't be done we would still be living in caves , I know for a fact that I can stop grass growing for 8 weeks . Is that long enough for it to grow ?

 

[Pistonbroke]

When I was a kid Dad used Gramoxone. What happened to it and Is there nothing like it now?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

When I was a kid Dad used Gramoxone. What happened to it and Is there nothing like it now?

Yes . Google chemical mowing