suffolk or charollais for lleyn
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Collie dog Sid
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Charlollias would be my choice
CopperBeech
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i would go Charollais ,
..... makes a nice lamb ..but not having a 'normal' wool birth coat doesn't help at times nor does some lambs getting stuck if they are big ie not quite as easy lambing as Lleyn on Lleyn.
and Actually The x ewe lamb kept back for breeders ,can make a a nicer /easier grading lamb than than a straight Lleyn ewe as well, one of the rare occasions when Char. female is good commercially , ime . as long as wrong shaped pelvis or poor milkers arent kept (same as any breeding ewe) and no more char in them than that first x, kept .
..... makes a nice lamb ..but not having a 'normal' wool birth coat doesn't help at times nor does some lambs getting stuck if they are big ie not quite as easy lambing as Lleyn on Lleyn.
and Actually The x ewe lamb kept back for breeders ,can make a a nicer /easier grading lamb than than a straight Lleyn ewe as well, one of the rare occasions when Char. female is good commercially , ime . as long as wrong shaped pelvis or poor milkers arent kept (same as any breeding ewe) and no more char in them than that first x, kept .
CopperBeech
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would you really keep a terminal Charolais x as a ewe
Thanks thoughtful reply
CopperBeech
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If I was keeping ewes I would go modern type Suffolk over char every time. If you’re going for an early fat lamb and so assuredly lambing inside then personally I would choose char over Suffolk anyway.
i have done in the past,helps get quicker doing better weighing lambs , which i always found a bit of a struggle with my Lleyn.
Then more Texel was added to them ( from a good source ) . just a sort of natural progression really...
Interesting idea to keep some of the crosses as ewes. Do texelxlleyn make better ewes than suffolkxlleyn or charxlleyn?
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In my opinion....,yes , Suffolk x Lleyn is ok, never tried a char x
Have put some tex x Lleyn back to a Suffolk or Lleyn again and keep the white headed ewe lambs.....quite technical here
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you would if they were from the French system and bought for milk and prolif index's , hmm wonder who breeds them
nice looking lambs
Yeah, i would say they would be generally speaking but not the Texels that have totally brick shape genes in them and they need some quick doer add muscle type genes to add to the pure maternal ones.
also in getting that bit of Texel into them it ..
.....might make harder work at lambing that's all . Getting Feeding right for the occasion is help in that department as well but just to be aware.
adding those bits in helps from the ewe side , a compromise from totally maternal type because on some of them it can be a bit of a big ask of a terminal ram to do it all imo
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A million times more so, which is why plenty do keep that cross. A Charollais x will reduce lactation persistency and add ‘a degree of wildness’. A Suffolk will add a degree of dopeyness instead.
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Sheepfog
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Both will do a good job.
As a breeder of both I would say Charollais edge overall carcass quality, but Suffolk’s will edge growth rate. Lamb vigour is similar (assuming you use the right type of Suffolk). Suffolks will produce a good ewe lamb and also tougher if lambing outside.
As a breeder of both I would say Charollais edge overall carcass quality, but Suffolk’s will edge growth rate. Lamb vigour is similar (assuming you use the right type of Suffolk). Suffolks will produce a good ewe lamb and also tougher if lambing outside.
Texel with a Welsh over them aren’t they?Aren't most lleyns some form of texel x anyway?
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depends if they come from anglesea, was told the proper ones had silky ears if rubbed with forfinger and thumb , the newer sort that are more texel tend to be wirey eared ,the purists arnt so keen on the better looking pretendersAren't most lleyns some form of texel x anyway?
Aberfield.