Vaccinate twice or twice as many?

[nivilla1982]

The New York Times's UK vaccine clickbait

The New York Times really does have it in for poor old Britain, doesn’t it? Not content with portraying Brits as boiled mutton eating swamp dwellers, America’s self-styled paper of record is now suggesting we’re being pumped full of a dangerous cocktail of Covid vaccines. ‘Britain Opts for...

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[matthew]

Muck Spreader

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Edit , I said Clostridial , I didn't specify Bravoxin in the tony bliar thread

Found it now. Bad link.

There is a big difference between the two vaccines currently available. Pfizer is said to be 90% effective with a single dose, rising to 96% with a second.
But the Imperial AZ one is much less than that without two shots. From memory around 60%. Rising to 90 something% - but that only found out be accident - which doesn't fill one with confidence - if the first jab is a half strength primer.

At the moment all people being vaccinated are part guinea pig / part wider long term trial.

At only 60 per cent efficacy, I agree that would be 'disappointing', in terms of giving protection to more people. And dangerously misleading is you happened to be part of the 40 per cent, left unprotected, but thinking you were immune.

This is going to be a long haul.

 

[bobk]

Germany now considering one dose

 

[Muck Spreader]

Muck Spreader

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Edit , I said Clostridial , I didn't specify Bravoxin in the tony bliar thread

Did I, don't remember, but things like Bravoxin are toxoid vaccines, so not really comparable to the types of vaccine being developed against Covid. I think the point I was making was you have a limited stock of vaccine, what is the best way of utilising it to save the most lives.

 

[le bon paysan]

Did I, don't remember, but things like Bravoxin are toxoid vaccines, so not really comparable to the types of vaccine being developed against Covid. I think the point I was making was you have a limited stock of vaccine, what is the best way of utilising it to save the most lives.

Fair enough, agree that it's complicated.

 

[puppet]

A vaccine does not kill or destroy a virus, it is not a drug which will lose efficacy if it is not used at full dose. half the dose will certainly not give the cover that a full twin dose will , but it does give the chance to get on top when supplies are limited.
Many vaccines are given once for lifelong cover others require topping up such as tetanus which should be done every ten years

You don't need tetanus boosters any longer. Flu annually and most of the others related to travel now.
We 'followed the science' when there was little except common sense ( which we largely ignored until June) and now when we have data from the vaccine companies we ignore it.
However I can see why they have decided on a quick single dose. That means for GP practices the numbers are very similar to the autumn flu campaign which is mostly done in 8 weeks.

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Apologies if already stated, but do people who’ve had confirmed Covid already need a vaccine?

 

[Raider112]

Apologies if already stated, but do people who’ve had confirmed Covid already need a vaccine?

Probably I would think, but are people who have had it catching it again?

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Probably I would think, but are people who have had it catching it again?

According to google people who’ve had it should still get the vaccine. They say boosters will probably be needed from now on too.

I know of a friend of a friend who’s had Covid twice.

 

[le bon paysan]

So now what? The manufacturer and the WHO say the second dose must be delivered 21 / 28 days after the first or it may increase the risk of contracting Covid. This may then mutate , into a form of the virus , that won't be covered by the vaccine!

Pfizer second dose should not be delayed, say WHO experts

People should receive two doses of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine within 21 - 28 days without a delay before the second jab, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Bury the Trash]

So now what? The manufacturer and the WHO say the second dose must be delivered 21 / 28 days after the first or it may increase the risk of contracting Covid. This may then mutate , into a form of the virus , that won't be covered by the vaccine!

Pfizer second dose should not be delayed, say WHO experts

People should receive two doses of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine within 21 - 28 days without a delay before the second jab, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said.

www.standard.co.uk

Yes the WHO have been on about this since last week.
Thats partly what ive been getting at , Covid 'side stepping 'and gaining strength via the vaccine 'variation'

Mil has been given her second does at 22 days after.....

 

[Johnnyboxer]

So now what? The manufacturer and the WHO say the second dose must be delivered 21 / 28 days after the first or it may increase the risk of contracting Covid. This may then mutate , into a form of the virus , that won't be covered by the vaccine!

Pfizer second dose should not be delayed, say WHO experts

People should receive two doses of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine within 21 - 28 days without a delay before the second jab, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said.

www.standard.co.uk

Another Conservative party balls up [emoji85]

 

[startinghandle]

TV news said nurses caught covid after having jab

 

[Hindsight]

TV news said nurses caught covid after having jab

Well you can and you will. Vaccination doesn't prevent catching the disease. But hopefully the majority who develop good immune system response will have less damaging symptoms. Some will not - as we know the vaccines are not 100% effective - a percentage of us will not be covered by a vaccine. It might be a different vaccine will work with a different individual.

The hope is that widespread vaccination leads to folk catching the virus but not requiring hospitalisation.

Then the next thing we need to know but won't until time passes is whether a booster is required annually, a longer time period or not at all. And that will depend on the stability of the virus over time. Measles / Polio are stable viruses. Flu is not. We have one vaccination for Measles. Annual changed for Flu. What will Covid 19 be like. From what I have heard of experts the view seems to be Covid will be relatively unstable.

Hey ho. But I could be completely wrong.

 

[essex man]

TV news said nurses caught covid after having jab

It takes six weeks from first jab for immunity to build up for pfizer jab.
She may have caught before then.
You can still get infected with virus but your immune system will have a head start and overwhelm it quickly.
This should massively reduce virus replication in your body, your symptoms and your ability to infect others.
Is same for those who've had it, as long as they developed antibodies.
It seems strange that with limited supply of vaccine and the knowledge that previous infection grants a level of immunity,
no effort is being made to prioritise vaccination for those who have not had the virus already?
Or is there?

 

[Hindsight]

,
no effort is being made to prioritise vaccination for those who have not had the virus already?
Or is there?

I appreciate where you are coming from. And you are certainly letting us know. But your suggestion would complicate unnecessarily the vaccine roll out. It would require ascertaining everyones virus state in advance of injection. And still the majority of people have not have Covid. So why try to weedle out the odd person who has had it when it is simpler to do as they are doing and work through age and vulnerability group. appreciate you consider that vaccinating the older age group is wrong way round but that is the approach of government and opposition parties, so it is the way it will be. Hey ho. I anticipate a retort - though best wishes.

 

[Muck Spreader]

It takes six weeks from first jab for immunity to build up for pfizer jab.

Not according to Pfizer. Fifty-two percent efficacy was observed from day 12 and maximum efficacy 7 days after the second dose = day 28.

 

[essex man]

Yes, there are diff figs knocking about, the figure I saw was 36 days which for some reason I called 6 weeks instead of five sorry

 

[essex man]

I appreciate where you are coming from. And you are certainly letting us know. But your suggestion would complicate unnecessarily the vaccine roll out. It would require ascertaining everyones virus state in advance of injection. And still the majority of people have not have Covid. So why try to weedle out the odd person who has had it when it is simpler to do as they are doing and work through age and vulnerability group. appreciate you consider that vaccinating the older age group is wrong way round but that is the approach of government and opposition parties, so it is the way it will be. Hey ho. I anticipate a retort - though best wishes.

Hi, it's millions by now, which is not the odd person, I think people would self select to a certain extent if it was explained to them.
Therefore given limited time and supply, less people would suffer from virus overall

 

[startinghandle]

It's looks very doubtful for any shows or vintage rallies this year but looking ahead will proof of vaccination be needed before entry is allowed to the Royal Welsh Show or the August bank holiday weekend vintage rally at Onslow Shrewsbury