Where will the Dutch go?

[Red Fred]

Hampshire is sinking into the waves at an alarming rate anyway- sea levels have risen since the melting of the ice sheet as the northern half of the country rebounds from the weight of ice. They have found all sorts of evidence for settlements in the Solent.
I am happy to take in any Dutch waifs and strays starting with those two from the "Farm assistants" thread.

 

[Danllan]

It was also a scientific “fact” that we were all going to succumb to CJD. I didn’t lose any sleep over that and will lose none over the predicted sea level rise.

No, it was and remains a fact that some did and that if no action had been taken a very large number of people would have unnecessarily succumbed to it.

Maybe the rocks have sunk.

Isostatic rebound? Yes, no not these, they are just outside of that zone. A bit further South I think there is something around 0.5mm p.a. but slowing. All the while sea level is rising at many times that rate and increasing in speed.

Hampshire is sinking into the waves at an alarming rate anyway- sea levels have risen since the melting of the ice sheet as the northern half of the country rebounds from the weight of ice. They have found all sorts of evidence for settlements in the Solent.
I am happy to take in any Dutch waifs and strays starting with those two from the "Farm assistants" thread.

That's the rebound as mentioned above, Scotland rising - mostly - and the Southern part of England plus a bit of Wales going down.

Bear in mind that at the height of the last ice age sea levels were about 400 feet lower, meaning no Irish Sea, No Channel and no North Sea - it was all land. Yet the sea rose pretty quickly, but even about 5000 years ago it was 10 feet lower than now and the the land was about 10 feet higher - since the isostatic rebound hadn't gone as far as now.

That net 20 feet lower level of the sea makes a big difference, and the 400 feet a huge one. There are lots of places in the Solent, the Channel and the North Sea with evidence of human activity and settlement on what was once fertile plains but is now deep under water.

 

[stewart]

Perhaps we should dig some coal out of the ground, burn it and then let water fill the hole made.

 

[Treg]

One thing we can be sure of, no matter where they go, we can be sure they'll pay half the bill.

 

[Ashtree]

One thing we can be sure of, no matter where they go, we can be sure they'll pay half the bill.

My vet is Dutch. Does that mean, I need to pay only half?

 

[stewart]

One thing we can be sure of, no matter where they go, we can be sure they'll pay half the bill.

You're being very optimistic.

 

[Danllan]

One thing we can be sure of, no matter where they go, we can be sure they'll pay half the bill.

Delusional, the Dutch are tighter than Cardis!

 

[TelesnaAg]

Africa cannot production farm unless intervention from the west, it’s just not in them.

If you go onto the coastal climate . Org website and set the levels to 3 ft in the map by water level, for the most part the damage is very minimal in the scheme of things.

Then as far as accuracy goes ?? There are towns in red with an elevation far greater than 3ft? The tides would need to be 2m plus? Will the tides ba as large with a larger ocean surface?

some of the models are laughable, showing Lake Erye in Australia full, which is only possible if a Channell is constructed or it’s pumped.

As I say I think modelling is mostly done to drive a narrative and is inaccurate at best.

Ant…

 

[Ashtree]

Africa cannot production farm unless intervention from the west, it’s just not in them.

If you go onto the coastal climate . Org website and set the levels to 3 ft in the map by water level, for the most part the damage is very minimal in the scheme of things.

Then as far as accuracy goes ?? There are towns in red with an elevation far greater than 3ft? The tides would need to be 2m plus? Will the tides ba as large with a larger ocean surface?

some of the models are laughable, showing Lake Erye in Australia full, which is only possible if a Channell is constructed or it’s pumped.

As I say I think modelling is mostly done to drive a narrative and is inaccurate at best.

Ant…

And they even show earth as a sphere! Definitely can’t be trusted ….

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Will millions of Dutch move elsewhere and become German?

Wash your mouth out.

 

[TelesnaAg]

Maybe Canada but with woke running riot there the options are getting limited, plus with the Ukraine war eastern block not so appealing, nz and oz might get a few?

Ant…

 

[Danllan]

Africa cannot production farm unless intervention from the west, it’s just not in them.

If you go onto the coastal climate . Org website and set the levels to 3 ft in the map by water level, for the most part the damage is very minimal in the scheme of things.

Then as far as accuracy goes ?? There are towns in red with an elevation far greater than 3ft? The tides would need to be 2m plus? Will the tides ba as large with a larger ocean surface?

some of the models are laughable, showing Lake Erye in Australia full, which is only possible if a Channell is constructed or it’s pumped.

As I say I think modelling is mostly done to drive a narrative and is inaccurate at best.

Ant…

Something to bear in mind with regard to sea level rise is that the increase isn't just at the shoreline; 3' / 90cms may not seems so much but - as you have written - that rise is across the whole of the world's oceans, which means an almost unimaginable increase in water volume.

And yes, then the tides will be even larger - and that's because there will be so much more water to move around. The moon's gravitational influence will be far more apparent, and it won't just be the heights which in and of themselves allow more ground to be reached, the additional momentum of that much extra water will allow a tide to push much further inland.

Climate aside, this won't have an affect on you if you are several hundred feet up and far inland, but the coasts and their hinterlands will be in a very different situation.

 

[TelesnaAg]

Something to bear in mind with regard to sea level rise is that the increase isn't just at the shoreline; 3' / 90cms may not seems so much but - as you have written - that rise is across the whole of the world's oceans, which means an almost unimaginable increase in water volume.

And yes, then the tides will be even larger - and that's because there will be so much more water to move around. The moon's gravitational influence will be far more apparent, and it won't just be the heights which in and of themselves allow more ground to be reached, the additional momentum of that much extra water will allow a tide to push much further inland.

Climate aside, this won't have an affect on you if you are several hundred feet up and far inland, but the coasts and their hinterlands will be in a very different situation.

The gravity force from the moon is fixed, as in min max rate, so it can only shift x matter around, so is there modelling on this? Ocean has risen 7 to 8” in last 100 years, did the tides get any bigger, yes they will be higher there is more height with water.

I am always sceptical of climate scientists as the track record is poor.
The recent droughts in oz a lot said it wouldn’t rain again and temps be hotter, record rainfall this year and record low temps.

I don’t trust any of the oz beauru for weather as they don’t take all the readings when rain occurs, there data is useless now, they cooked it to suit a narrative.

in order to get funding they need to raise an alarm so funding is seen as important, plus it gives the governments validation for control.

climate change is a governments dream come true.

id be willing to bet by 2050 it will be half of the 12” rise prediction by some and more around 6 which some have modelled, which in percentage terms as a massive difference in modelling.

2100 will be 2ft, then it will most likely ramp due to no change in carbon as I’ve stated I haven’t seen anything that’s really hitting the mark for carbon reduction that’s genuine and not transferring the carbon generation.

Ant…

 

[Ashtree]

The gravity force from the moon is fixed, as in min max rate, so it can only shift x matter around, so is there modelling on this? Ocean has risen 7 to 8” in last 100 years, did the tides get any bigger, yes they will be higher there is more height with water.

I am always sceptical of climate scientists as the track record is poor.
The recent droughts in oz a lot said it wouldn’t rain again and temps be hotter, record rainfall this year and record low temps.

I don’t trust any of the oz beauru for weather as they don’t take all the readings when rain occurs, there data is useless now, they cooked it to suit a narrative.

in order to get funding they need to raise an alarm so funding is seen as important, plus it gives the governments validation for control.

climate change is a governments dream come true.

id be willing to bet by 2050 it will be half of the 12” rise prediction by some and more around 6 which some have modelled, which in percentage terms as a massive difference in modelling.

2100 will be 2ft, then it will most likely ramp due to no change in carbon as I’ve stated I haven’t seen anything that’s really hitting the mark for carbon reduction that’s genuine and not transferring the carbon generation.

Ant…

You need to get to understand the difference between weather and climate.
I’m walking my local shoreline several days a week, for pretty much most weeks of my 60 off years.
Believe me, apart from weather events, cold, hot, wet, dry, the cumulative effect has been, a continuous erosion of shoreline, and loss of rock and sand formations to the sea.
I don’t need any scientist to tell me the climate is changing and sea level is rising. It’s obvious, too damn obvious.

 

[TelesnaAg]

You need to get to understand the difference between weather and climate.
I’m walking my local shoreline several days a week, for pretty much most weeks of my 60 off years.
Believe me, apart from weather events, cold, hot, wet, dry, the cumulative effect has been, a continuous erosion of shoreline, and loss of rock and sand formations to the sea.
I don’t need any scientist to tell me the climate is changing and sea level is rising. It’s obvious, too damn obvious.

This has been happening since we had oceans but, force is hitting it, it will wear as water is abrasive, and I have not denied the ocean has risen that data is in and fact, it’s the predictions models I have an issue with and what they are claiming to be catastrophic cost but when looking at it, and considering how every gorge and cliff face was formed on earth, there is natural evolution in the process.

Ant….

 

[essex man]

This has been happening since we had oceans but, force is hitting it, it will wear as water is abrasive, and I have not denied the ocean has risen that data is in and fact, it’s the predictions models I have an issue with and what they are claiming to be catastrophic cost but when looking at it, and considering how every gorge and cliff face was formed on earth, there is natural evolution in the process.

Ant….

Yes, climate always changing.
Humans always trying to control other humans, often with doomsday fears.
Not hard to understand how the green religion has come about.

 

[oil barron]

You need to get to understand the difference between weather and climate.
I’m walking my local shoreline several days a week, for pretty much most weeks of my 60 off years.
Believe me, apart from weather events, cold, hot, wet, dry, the cumulative effect has been, a continuous erosion of shoreline, and loss of rock and sand formations to the sea.
I don’t need any scientist to tell me the climate is changing and sea level is rising. It’s obvious, too damn obvious.

Coastal erosion has nothing to do with climate change. You can see parts of the UK where dunes are being formed and the coast is growing. It’s near impossible to see sea level rise in the UK becasuse of the tides. You have to go off those islands that are inches above the water or somewhere like Bangladesh.

 

[ollie989898]

So, having read this thread, I can only conclude we are talking about a colossal megaproject, costing billions over decades of time in order to save the better part of half a continent from being inundated by the sea.

I can't think of any two people better qualified to quote for such a herculean endeavour. Let's ask them:

@Cab-over Pete @Kevtherev

 

[essex man]

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[Woolless]

So, having read this thread, I can only conclude we are talking about a colossal megaproject, costing billions over decades of time in order to save the better part of half a continent from being inundated by the sea.

I can't think of any two people better qualified to quote for such a herculean endeavour. Let's ask them:

@Cab-over Pete @Kevtherev

What if they're busy?? That line won't spread itself you know!