Which UTTO Oil brand?

[Treg]

Been using Exol oils here as both main dealers didn't have the right specced oils for either of my tractors!

 

[Tarw Coch]

N141. Nice if the same oil would be ok in a 5100 series case maxxum so I could get a big drum

I would be amazed if there aren’t plenty of oils that would do both, most manufacturers try to convince customers there’s something unique about their oil to keep them buying their oil.

 

[Farmer Roy]

Err, here, ALL the oil companies / manufacturers / blenders have oil recommendations on their websites.
You just put in the details of the relevant vehicle ( in this case, agricultural equipment or tractor, the brand & model & the application , ie engine / transmission etc ) & they will provide what THEY recommend, as the MANUFACTURER of the oil. Sometimes they might even give you a preferred choice & then some alternatives, especially with engine oils
And if you can’t get your head around that, they have telephone numbers of their technical departments so you can even ask someone


there are almost as many “which oil” threads here as there were “which pickup ?”

FFS - how hard is it ?

 

[Tarw Coch]

I think likely, MF oils are Morris and in metal tins, Claas used to be Morris and were in metal tins.

Don’t know about today but at one time Kramer oil was also made by Morris and sold in yellow drums.

 

[john432]

I use gulf suto just bescasue there super competitive though certas energy, got there high spec hydraulic oil for Jcb too

It's all a bit of a mystery, Kerax Hyperdrive have been bought out by Certas energy in 2018

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Yet go on Certas' s site and look at their Lubricating oil range

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#1 commercial lubricant supplier in the UK. Certas Lubricants supply lubricants, oils and greases from premium manufacturers.

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They list Gulf, Valvoline, Shell, Castrol.etc ,
Why would they buy a lubricating oil manufacturer, and then sell all these other brands? Or is it a case of putting the same oil in branded cans that the customer has historical perception of good quality?

 

[Hereward]

N141. Nice if the same oil would be ok in a 5100 series case maxxum so I could get a big drum

Shell Spirax S4 TXM certainly does, not all Utto oils say they are MS1207, MS1209 compliant.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Err, here, ALL the oil companies / manufacturers / blenders have oil recommendations on their websites.
You just put in the details of the relevant vehicle ( in this case, agricultural equipment or tractor, the brand & model & the application , ie engine / transmission etc ) & they will provide what THEY recommend, as the MANUFACTURER of the oil. Sometimes they might even give you a preferred choice & then some alternatives, especially with engine oils


there are almost as many “which oil” threads here as there were “which pickup ?”

FFS - how hard is it ?

Both Morris and Fuchs have the same here, quite possibly others too.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Shell Spirax S4 TXM certainly does, not all Utto oils say they are MS1207, MS1209 compliant.

That's slightly shortened the list then

 

[Farmer Roy]

Both Morris and Fuchs have the same here, quite possibly others too.

ive never heard of Morris, but I’d certainly expect Fuchs & Shell to have that facility

 

[Farmer Roy]

I know with motorcycle oils, a more niche market, engine oils can range from anywhere like $5 / litre to over $30 / litre, depending on your wallet & perceived quality or marketing

but surely, there wouldn’t be much price difference between different manufacturers industrial / heavy equipment oils ?

is it worth chasing around for the best price all the time, or just stick with the one manufacturer who is a known quantity ?

 

[Hereward]

That's slightly shortened the list then

Its only that Shell mention MS1209, its nothing special and I'd be confident any UTTO far exceeds the MS1209 standard, which is basically a 10W-30 universal oil suitable for wet clutches.

@Cowabunga will probably know but the newer CNH MAT-3535 standard probably superceeds the MS1209 standard (marketed by Case as HyTran). All the UTTO in the poll are compliant with the CNH MAT-3535 standard.

 

[Netherfield]

Thinking back Agricastrol used to be a big name , had stands at all the big shows, the tractor reps would take good customers there because they had booze on the stand, where their own stands didn't.

 

[The Grinch]

Does anyone know who supplies JCB
with lubricants ?

Q8 supply all the factories for the bulk, but not sure on the retail side.

 

[Tarw Coch]

ive never heard of Morris, but I’d certainly expect Fuchs & Shell to have that facility

As far as I’m aware Morris only operate in the uk

 

[Hereward]

Shell S4 TXM and Morris JDF spec sheets attached.

 

[Cowabunga]

On the subject of lubricants
What was so special about
Castrol GTX ?

Like Duckhams Q20/50 the most special part was the marketing. And the dye they used.

 

[Cowabunga]

There are a lot of different viscosities and additives among the choices. It seems a bit lazy to just throw a UTTO sticker on the drum and say it's ok for everything

UTTO isn't good for everything. It is only good for transmissions that require a light viscosity transmission oil suitable for wet brakes, wet clutches and differentials. Not engines. Not for all final drives. Not all front axles. Hardly any brake master cylinders, although MF are a notable exception.

 

[Hereward]

Total Dynatrans MPV spec sheet

 

[Farmer Roy]

Duckhams - is that another company that only operates in the UK
I googled them
Do people really think a dye or colour means anything

 

[Cowabunga]

It's all a bit of a mystery, Kerax Hyperdrive have been bought out by Certas energy in 2018

HyperDrive Heritage | HyperDrive Lubricants

HyperDrive has a rich and long history of producing premium products Founded by Tom Wilcox in 1962, Kerax Ltd has been producing wax blends and lubricants for over sixty years. In that time, it has been associated with a number of renowned businesses in lubricants, waxes and fuels, including...

hyperdrivelubricants.com

Yet go on Certas' s site and look at their Lubricating oil range

Commercial Lubricants, Oils & Grease Supplier | Certas Lubricants

#1 commercial lubricant supplier in the UK. Certas Lubricants supply lubricants, oils and greases from premium manufacturers.

certasenergylubricants.com

They list Gulf, Valvoline, Shell, Castrol.etc ,
Why would they buy a lubricating oil manufacturer, and then sell all these other brands? Or is it a case of putting the same oil in branded cans that the customer has historical perception of good quality?

Certas also have offers on Petronas and ENI/Agip from time to time if I remember correctly.
Obviously we all know that Petronas makes nearly all Case and New Holland lubricants under the Akcela and Ambra brands respectively.