Winter wheat after spring barley?

[ajd132]

Anyone doing it? Would be direct drilled in October. Is it too risky with volunteers?

 

[Will7]

Anyone doing it? Would be direct drilled in October. Is it too risky with volunteers?

I did it and there were enough volunteers to think it would be all in the feed shed. But by harvest all the barley had brackled on the floor and I never saw a grain of barley in the sample. I am on wide rows which aided the brackling

 

[yellow belly]

for 2019 we harvested wheat after spring barly which yielded well planted end of October
no till
it was a very dry autumn and the original plan was to grow spring barley but grew some more wheat
also replaced some failed rape the wheat was then 3rd cereal which was also ok
the weather is the big factor

 

[Brisel]

Anyone doing it? Would be direct drilled in October. Is it too risky with volunteers?

Have you got access to a rake or light set of discs to chit the barley volunteers?

 

[ajd132]

Have you got access to a rake or light set of discs to chit the barley volunteers?

Yes I do. As was said above a later variety of wheat would be good also to let the barley braclkle

 

[RobW]

Are you considering a WW/SB/WW/SB rotation? Not sure Topik will knock back the survivors but Broadway would, but that's a fairly pricy option unless you are using it anyway!
Or would WW/SB/SW/WW/SB help?

All the best, Rob

 

[Brisel]

Barley volunteers look worse than they really are. You're allowed 2% admix so a bit more bulk wouldn't be a problem. Camgrain will soon blend that away.

 

[Brisel]

Broadway Star, Atlantis/Hatra/Horus and Pacifica will not kill barley though they would give it a good kicking.

 

[ajd132]

Are you considering a WW/SB/WW/SB rotation? Not sure Topik will knock back the survivors but Broadway would, but that's a fairly pricy option unless you are using it anyway!
Or would WW/SB/SW/WW/SB help?

All the best, Rob

Hi rob, sort of considering it on some farms where the owners don’t want me to grow osr beans or oats!
continuous wheat works on this land so I see no reason why ww/sb rotation won’t. Should keep on top of BG aswell.

 

[ajd132]

Broadway Star, Atlantis/Hatra/Horus and Pacifica will not kill barley though they would give it a good kicking.

Generally use one of them as a matter of course for bromes etc

 

[RobW]

Hi rob, sort of considering it on some farms where the owners don’t want me to grow osr beans or oats!
continuous wheat works on this land so I see no reason why ww/sb rotation won’t. Should keep on top of BG aswell.

I am envious of the simplicity of it!!

 

[E_B]

Hi rob, sort of considering it on some farms where the owners don’t want me to grow osr beans or oats!
continuous wheat works on this land so I see no reason why ww/sb rotation won’t. Should keep on top of BG aswell.

It's a shame if they aren't prepared to join along the regenerative oddyssey with a varied rotation.

 

[teslacoils]

I struggle to get barley to chit without ruffling it up and pressing it down a bit.

Loads of n and it will go flat. Bit of late topik.

 

[Brisel]

It's a shame if they aren't prepared to join along the regenerative oddyssey with a varied rotation.

Regenerative has to be economically sustainable too... Lots of osr growers saying "no osr being planted this year" and piling into small pulse & oat markets.

 

[Banana Bar]

Hi rob, sort of considering it on some farms where the owners don’t want me to grow osr beans or oats!
continuous wheat works on this land so I see no reason why ww/sb rotation won’t. Should keep on top of BG aswell.

I’d go careful on a rotation like that. You’ll end up with BG germinating for 12 months / yr. Far better 2 ww then 2 S barley. Use cover crop between barleys and before 1st barley.

BB

 

[snarling bee]

Grow 4 x WW then 2/3 SB would be even better, if you can keep the BG at bay that long.
BG will also self select for late autumn germination if we are not careful. I heard that continuous SB can get bad BG in it after a few years.

 

[ajd132]

It's a shame if they aren't prepared to join along the regenerative oddyssey with a varied rotation.

these crops don't pay though, you can vary your rotation with plenty of cover and catch crops. A wide rotation doesn't mean necessarily growing loads of rubbish break crops like peas, linseed and lupins!

 

[snarling bee]

If everybody grows oats and peas etc the market will collapse due to oversupply.

 

[ajd132]

Regenerative has to be economically sustainable too... Lots of osr growers saying "no osr being planted this year" and piling into small pulse & oat markets.

totally agree, so many of these alternative crops are just a waste of time and money. get your diversity through cover cropping not the cash crops.

 

[ajd132]

I’d go careful on a rotation like that. You’ll end up with BG germinating for 12 months / yr. Far better 2 ww then 2 S barley. Use cover crop between barleys and before 1st barley.

BB

yep fair point. I was more thinking just vary it depending on weed pressure. sling in catch and covers when opportunities present. stripper head spring barley.