Wow , on 15th February in France

[Mouser]

Whaddever. No need to get worked up.

We just generally don't like being told what to do. Me included.

Why would you think I'm worked up? We're debating, I'm pulling you up on your comparison (and subsequent backtracking) just as you would (possibly have) done to me. You make it sound like you think it's acceptable to force vaccination on people who don't want it, you have said before it's for the greater good or words to that effect, but the evidence now suggests my vaccination will not affect you positively or negatively so it shouldn't be your concern.

 

[czechmate]

Why would you think I'm worked up? We're debating, I'm pulling you up on your comparison (and subsequent backtracking) just as you would (possibly have) done to me. You make it sound like you think it's acceptable to force vaccination on people who don't want it, you have said before it's for the greater good or words to that effect, but the evidence now suggests my vaccination will not affect you positively or negatively so it shouldn't be your concern.

It’s turning into a religion; or you could even say Cult

 

[The Agrarian]

Why would you think I'm worked up? We're debating, I'm pulling you up on your comparison (and subsequent backtracking) just as you would (possibly have) done to me. You make it sound like you think it's acceptable to force vaccination on people who don't want it, you have said before it's for the greater good or words to that effect, but the evidence now suggests my vaccination will not affect you positively or negatively so it shouldn't be your concern.

Does my wearing/not wearing of a seatbelt affect you in your car?

 

[Mouser]

Does my wearing/not wearing of a seatbelt affect you in your car?

No, I'm not the one suggesting it would though.

 

[The Agrarian]

Right. But the government institutes a law to say you must, and we both do it. Presumably.

 

[bobk]

I'm similar to @agrarian , happy to conform until someone tells me to do it

 

[Mouser]

Right. But the government institutes a law to say you must, and we both do it. Presumably.

Boring now. The thread is about a government forcing citizens to get a jab in order to keep their job. Compare it to seatbelts all you like. The jab has been proven to kill people among many other side effects. It's wrong. Simple. Back in July and August when it was thought transmission was stopped by vaccination there was a weak case for mandates, now there's nothing. Hospitals are coping, they are not full of unvaccinated people and if rules were altered to a sensible solution there would be staff and beds for 25% extra patients.

 

[le bon paysan]

Overall ski trade perhaps but nearer 40 % there and probably more at this time of year, the ski resorts arent happy, but the rumours are that it will be lifted this Wednesday in time for this wknd ( hopefully true as we are meant to be going this wk) & the big ski operations havent cancelled their stays yet.
Macron has had his tantrum, he bottled turning the leccy off. Hopefully we can setback to normal

Jersey granted all the asked for licences except 7 which have been granted temporary licences . Who bottled?
Thanks to the cooperation between Jersey, the European commission and UK government, further data has now been received and the technical exercise can be brought to a conclusion."
He said "important work" could now begin around the extent and nature of fishing, confirming "what species fishermen are permitted to catch", and what measures were "required to conserve fish stocks".

• Jersey offers 162 fishing licences after ultimatum
• Who really owns UK fishing rights?
• What does the Brexit deal mean for fishing?

The EU commission said further consultations would continue over Jersey's seven additional replacement vessels with the aim to have them licenced by Monday.
It said it would "examine the legal circumstances around every requested license which has not been granted".

A UK government spokesperson said: "We have licensed vessels where sufficient evidence has been provided that demonstrates that a vessel qualifies for access under the TCA. Where that evidence has not been provided, licences have not been issued.
"On direct replacement vessels, we have taken an approach in line with the TCA which provides stability and ensures the sustainability of our fisheries. Following receipt of new evidence from the Commission, the UK licensed 18 replacement vessels on the basis of this methodology.
"This now concludes this phase of intensive talks on licensing."

 

[robs1]

Jersey granted all the asked for licences except 7 which have been granted temporary licences . Who bottled?
Thanks to the cooperation between Jersey, the European commission and UK government, further data has now been received and the technical exercise can be brought to a conclusion."
He said "important work" could now begin around the extent and nature of fishing, confirming "what species fishermen are permitted to catch", and what measures were "required to conserve fish stocks".

• Jersey offers 162 fishing licences after ultimatum
• Who really owns UK fishing rights?
• What does the Brexit deal mean for fishing?

The EU commission said further consultations would continue over Jersey's seven additional replacement vessels with the aim to have them licenced by Monday.
It said it would "examine the legal circumstances around every requested license which has not been granted".

A UK government spokesperson said: "We have licensed vessels where sufficient evidence has been provided that demonstrates that a vessel qualifies for access under the TCA. Where that evidence has not been provided, licences have not been issued.
"On direct replacement vessels, we have taken an approach in line with the TCA which provides stability and ensures the sustainability of our fisheries. Following receipt of new evidence from the Commission, the UK licensed 18 replacement vessels on the basis of this methodology.
"This now concludes this phase of intensive talks on licensing."

So they provided the info required and got their licences. Though probably made it up knowing the frence

 

[Vader]

It's still your choice.

Your and idiot...
Sorry mate but its not a choice if it cuts your freedoms if you don't do as they want.
And it is similar here.
I had bad reaction to 2nd jab.
Headached every day since.
I know couple ppl who had migraines since the booster.
I have asked doctor for an exemption letter from the booster as they said its 50/50 if it will make headaches worse.
They won't give me 1 as they say its my choice....

 

[Vader]

Indeed , they should refuse treatment for the unvaxxed

Even if you got medical problems so you can not have vaccine...?

 

[stroller]

Indeed , they should refuse treatment for the unvaxxed

And all the obese with self inflicted type 2 diabetes, damaged joints, heart conditions, along with the smokers, alcoholics,drug addicts

 

[Seth 2]

So they provided the info required and got their licences. Though probably made it up knowing the frence

If they complied in the first place they would have been granted, but it’s probably taken this long to fabricate something suitable

 

[le bon paysan]

So they provided the info required and got their licences. Though probably made it up knowing the frence

The law in France states that Under 12 meter boats do not require GPS. The UK has gone against the terms of the TCA and insisted on digitalised data. Expensive and time consuming to have written logs digitalised.
These have been done where needed and Jersey have accepted written logs in some cases.
Where some boats were fitted with new engines the licence number was changed, this caused confusion but has now been resolved with relevant licences issued.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The law in France states that Under 12 meter boats do not require GPS. The UK has gone against the terms of the TCA and insisted on digitalised data. Expensive and time consuming to have written logs digitalised.
These have been done where needed and Jersey have accepted written logs in some cases.
Where some boats were fitted with new engines the licence number was changed, this caused confusion but has now been resolved with relevant licences issued.

Here is an interesting twist;

Defra clarifies issues on new regulations for 'economic link' licence conditions

Defra clarifies issues raised by UK fishermen regarding new regulations on the economic link licence conditions due to take effect 1 April 2022

thefishingdaily.com

 

[Muck Spreader]

If they complied in the first place they would have been granted, but it’s probably taken this long to fabricate something suitable

 

[Old Boar]

Officially, I am unvaccinated, despite having had two doses. This is because they were over 6 months ago and I refused the booster until someone could tell me it would not make my blood condition, which came on after the second vax, worse.
This is one side effect:-

That is just one vein that popped. There are others...
I was strongly in favour of vaccinations, but now I will not have another for Covid even if it means I dont travel or work.
Still think it should be mandatory?

 

[Muck Spreader]

Officially, I am unvaccinated, despite having had two doses. This is because they were over 6 months ago and I refused the booster until someone could tell me it would not make my blood condition, which came on after the second vax, worse.
This is one side effect:-
View attachment 1009063

That is just one vein that popped. There are others...
I was strongly in favour of vaccinations, but now I will not have another for Covid even if it means I dont travel or work.
Still think it should be mandatory?

Thrombocytopenia?

 

[stroller]

Officially, I am unvaccinated, despite having had two doses. This is because they were over 6 months ago and I refused the booster until someone could tell me it would not make my blood condition, which came on after the second vax, worse.
This is one side effect:-
View attachment 1009063

That is just one vein that popped. There are others...
I was strongly in favour of vaccinations, but now I will not have another for Covid even if it means I dont travel or work.
Still think it should be mandatory?

What did the doctors say ? " Nope nothing to do with the vaccine, I don't know what caused it but I know it wasn't the vaccine"

 

[le bon paysan]

Covid vaccine is not Obligatoire in France and I've never said it should be.

Vaccines already Obligatoire in France

11 vaccins obligatoires depuis 2018 – Ministère du travail, de la santé et des solidarités

L'extension à 11 vaccins obligatoires a été promulguée par la loi du 30 décembre 2017 suite à la proposition de la ministre chargée de la Santé de rendre obligatoires 8 vaccins supplémentaires…

solidarites-sante.gouv.fr