No Deal Brexit

Two Tone · Jan 5, 2019

Nithsdale Farmer said:
It's WTO tarrifs, which the UK signed upto, which will be triggered...

With a strong £ politicians can promise cheap food - which to the UK ag. industry means cheaper imports...

Since the Brexit vote the £ has weakened a fair bit. Imports are no longer as cheap as they were and brings our produce in line. How Westminster gets round this, will be interesting to see. As far as I can see, no matter how it's cut - food prices are going up*

* doesn't mean we will get any more for what we sell, but the price in the shops will increase.

Is this a good enough reason why the EU can apply higher tariffs to the UK, but that that the UK cannot reciprocate?
What other WTO signatory could protest that this would be fair?

We have seen how these things have happened before and taken years to sort out. Usually against the EU, who have had to rescind and refund those upon which they unfairly tariffed!

Nithsdale · Jan 5, 2019

Two Tone said:
Is this a good enough reason why the EU can apply higher tariffs to the UK, but that that the UK cannot reciprocate?
What other WTO signatory could protest that this would be fair?

We have seen how these things have happened before and taken years to sort out. Usually against the EU, who have had to rescind and refund those upon which they unfairly tariffed!

WTO rules mean tarrifs are put on both imports and exports, as far as I'm aware.

64% on beef, IIRC.

There is a reason NO NATION trades on WTO rules.

neilo · Jan 5, 2019

Nithsdale Farmer said:
WTO rules mean tarrifs are put on both imports and exports, as far as I'm aware.

64% on beef, IIRC.

There is a reason NO NATION trades on WTO rules.

The default position is WTO tariffs both ways. However, any government can choose to unilaterally reduce the tariffs on imports, which our lot have repeatedly said the want to do, at least as far as food imports are concerned.

Hilly · Jan 5, 2019

If wto rules ok for alot of others why not us ?

Hilly · Jan 5, 2019

M-J-G said:
They want cheap stuff, end of...

Interest in what you eat is a farmer and middle+ class thing. The masses don't care.

https://www.manufacturing.net/artic...-more-about-where-ingredients-their-food-come

Its heading the right direction.

brigadoon · Jan 5, 2019

neilo said:
Errrr, May has already negotiated a deal that ‘won’t be as bad as this’, in that it avoids tarrifs during the period when future trading terms are negotiated.

The tarrif scenario he was outlining was to come into play if we crash out with ‘no deal’, in less than 3 months time. Senior ministers, as well as those that have run away to snipe from the back benches, have repeatedly said they will seek to reduce import tarrifs to make food cheaper for the masses.

May has "negotiated" a deal that ties us into the EU as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow

primmiemoo · Jan 5, 2019

brigadoon said:
May has "negotiated" a deal that ties us into the EU as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow

Get those Wassailers in quick, and make them diversify!

Highland Mule · Jan 5, 2019

Hilly said:
If wto rules ok for alot of others why not us ?

Because it’s not great for any country - it’s a position of last resort, as an alternative to conflict. Nobody uses them as a default, and nobody would chose them unless they had no other choice.

bobk · Jan 5, 2019

Highland Mule said:
Because it’s not great for any country - it’s a position of last resort, as an alternative to conflict. Nobody uses them as a default, and nobody would chose them unless they had no other choice.

Dyson and JCB do .

neilo · Jan 5, 2019

Hilly said:
If wto rules ok for alot of others why not us ?

It’s not. No nation trades on WTO rules, it’s just a fallback position which everyone tries to avoid at all cost.
Do you really consider those tariff rates to be good for (particularly) the ag industry?

bobk · Jan 5, 2019

neilo said:
It’s not. No nation trades on WTO rules, it’s just a fallback position which everyone tries to avoid at all cost.
Do you really consider those tariff rates to be good for (particularly) the ag industry?

neilo said:
The default position is WTO tariffs both ways. However, any government can choose to unilaterally reduce the tariffs on imports, which our lot have repeatedly said the want to do, at least as far as food imports are concerned.

Answered your own question

neilo · Jan 5, 2019

bobk said:
Dyson and JCB do .

They both manufacture in countries where export agreements are beneficial, much like Honda, Nissan, etc built plants here to avoid EU import tarrifs.

bobk · Jan 5, 2019

neilo said:
They both manufacture in countries where export agreements are beneficial, much like Honda, Nissan, etc built plants here to avoid EU import tarrifs.

Fine , we put tariffs on fiat , citroen etc , it's as long as it is broad .

Hilly · Jan 5, 2019

neilo said:
It’s not. No nation trades on WTO rules, it’s just a fallback position which everyone tries to avoid at all cost.
Do you really consider those tariff rates to be good for (particularly) the ag industry?

Those tarrif rates are just talk its a worst case scenario it aint happen`d you or me cant change it anything so why throw the toys out the pram over something you cant alter.

neilo · Jan 5, 2019

brigadoon said:
May has "negotiated" a deal that ties us into the EU as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow

I would certainly like to see exit terms that are more clearly defined, but the rest of her agreement is good, covering the transition period whilst the real trade agreements are being sorted out.

Hilly · Jan 5, 2019

bobk said:
Fine , we put tariffs on fiat , citroen etc , it's as long as it is broad .

Its a waste of time they are convinced we are doomed doomed i tell you.

neilo · Jan 5, 2019

bobk said:
Fine , we put tariffs on fiat , citroen etc , it's as long as it is broad .

Is that ‘we’ the farming industry, or ‘we’ the UK government, who are more concerned about the future voting decisions of the other 98% of the population?

Hilly · Jan 5, 2019

neilo said:
I would certainly like to see exit terms that are more clearly defined, but the rest of her agreement is good, covering the transition period whilst the real trade agreements are being sorted out.

No many others think its good, she knows its sh!t as she cancelled the vote, its out the eu in name only with no say , id rather risk no deal.

bobk · Jan 5, 2019

neilo said:
Is that ‘we’ the farming industry, or ‘we’ the UK government, who are more concerned about the future voting decisions of the other 98% of the population?

We will struggle to keep up with home demand ( farming ) no kiwi lamb , irish beef etc ... not to mention the nefarious stuff obtained by ABP .

Hilly · Jan 5, 2019

Neilo if you truely believe you negativity you need too sell up NOW !

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