Cowabunga
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I’ve still got my 100 series which is uneconomic to repair due to a breakdown. Indeed it needs about £5000 spent on it, which is a bit rich for a 22 year old car.
Farm jeep wish list ( aka the Ineos Grenadier Farm R&D thread)
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I suppose with 10 million units built there was going to be one that would not be up to spec, it looks like you were the unfortunate person to get that one, the other 9,999,999 seem to run ok, our 100 series is now 20 years old, we have never had a problem with it, I prefer it to the 200 that we bought and subsequently sold after about 5 years.
Dukes Fit
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The engine in the 79 is the same unit as fitted to the 200. It is the 1VD-FTE which fitted in the 79 is also Euro tier 4.
A 79 series can in no way be compared to a “modern” Defender. For a start they are actually comfortable and pleasant to drive and will quite happily do 80+mph without vibrating you to death, vibrating itself to death or hurling itself off the road.
It has evolved from its original design in the same way as the Hilux has and they are a class leading vehicle.
I suspect Toyota feel that there is no market that its current offering is not filling and so it wouldn’t be profitable to introduce a model aimed at a very small select few. Land Rover obviously felt that it didn’t warrant a suitable replacement and to be honest, there is nobody in this country that cannot manage without a Land Rover. We do not have particularly challenging climate or suffer from extreme remoteness.
I have driven the 79 in both Australia and Africa and it is significantly better than any Defender I’ve owned or driven.
I don’t quite understand how you can slate a vehicle that is world renowned for reliability and toughness when you admit to having zero experience of it and then declare an unknown and indeed unbuilt vehicle to be “far better”
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presumably an engine that self destructs as soon as it gets a bit sweaty or cambelt goes , a day for a cambelt change , my toyota is 20 mins for cam change no harder than doing the fanbelt , is easier in some ways as long as you keep everything in line , there is more too reliability than a well proven engine run strictly to servicing schedule, nearest europe has to toyota is the VW 1.9 tdi unit without all the emissions crap all over it , its in forklifts and many military generators and ancillary kit .But the biggest issue will be corrosion , thats what kills most 4x4s residual value , subaru brat was outstanding except for rust issues .
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I thought BMW were mostly chains these days?
Cowabunga
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The engine in the 79 is nowhere near the same power. It is the same swept volume with the same block. Europe is on Euro6 emissions and there is a further stage imminent this Autumn.
Did I say that the Grenadier is far better? Well it should be because it is a thoroughly new design compared to a, what, forty year old design that has been mildly updated to a v8 and front coils. It is not a bad vehicle, of course not, but the fact remains that it is very expensive and Toyota do not believe it worth the cost of even trying to sell it in the UK or Europe for road use. You cannot escape that fact, which is not going to change. It’s not as if they don’t build it in right hand drive even, because they do.
Cowabunga
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I was unaware that BMW had started fitting timing belts to the 3.0 diesel. When was this?
Is it really only a 20 minute job to change timing belts on the Toyota V8 diesel? Amazing if so.
Ex Taliban HiLux models should be a good buy, wouldn't be much rust although they might be hard to keep warm in winter if they have a lot of perforations.
Dukes Fit
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I didn't say it was the same power, I said it was the same unit as fitted to the 200 series both of which are Euro tier 4.
Yes you did say the Grenadier will be far better. I don't see how though as it is certainly not a "thoroughly new design" ... it is a ladder chassis on beam axles and coil springs with an engine from a 3rd supplier.
Let's be honest, the Grenadier is going to be a Land Rover made by Ineos. Essentially a modern Santana/Iveco Massif. It will hopefully address the shortfalls that Land Rover never bothered to sort since the introduction of the 90 and 110 but it is not going to be some magical vehicle that is going to revolutionise the world of 4x4s.
Toyota do not offer the Land Cruiser ute in the UK and probably never will so it's not something that the Grenadier has to compete against here, but it is a probably the standard that the Grenadier should be aiming to at least match because if it is going to be successful it will be competing against it in foreign markets and we've seen what Toyota has done to Land Rover internationally.
I do hope the Grenadier is a success as if it is I will buy one but at the moment there isn't an over whelming reason to buy one apart from supporting British assembly of German and Italian manufacturing.
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Ineos puts Welsh plant on hold jeopardising hundreds of jobs
It had been hoped the company would bring much-needed jobs to Bridgend after the closure of Ford
www.walesonline.co.uk
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They will also need to fairly quickly spec a good non fossil fuel power source as the government have set the clock ticking to stopping internal combustion engine driven vehicles.....
Yes,looks like it may not be going to be built in the UK after all.Ineos puts Welsh plant on hold jeopardising hundreds of jobs
It had been hoped the company would bring much-needed jobs to Bridgend after the closure of Ford
Wales Ineos 4x4 vehicle plant 'suspended' in Bridgend
Plans to build a new factory next to the Ford plant in Bridgend are put on hold by firm Ineos.
www.bbc.co.uk
Cowabunga
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No they haven't. They have set the clock ticking on internal combustion passenger cars, not all vehicles.
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I'm engaging with the Transport de-carbonisation plan process with the dtp and they are still consulting on what to actually include and what not to. A vehicle like this could fall either way, especially if they start selling as "Chelsea tractors with extra kudos".....
Cowabunga
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Yes,looks like it may not be going to be built in the UK after all.
Wales Ineos 4x4 vehicle plant 'suspended' in Bridgend
Plans to build a new factory next to the Ford plant in Bridgend are put on hold by firm Ineos.www.bbc.co.uk
It looks like Carwyn Jones was as sceptical as I was….
From the BBC
It was certainly obvious to me from the start that it was a ridiculous and commercially unviable concept, to have the chassis and body panels made in far away countries, the engines and transmissions coming from equally far away in another direction, to be assembled in Wales and then re-exported. I mean it is laughable that anyone ever took it to be a viable operation, even with the Welsh Assembly pumping millions into the infrastructure. Why would any commercial company add costs in such a way from the get-go? Especially with Brexit on the horizon. More especially a company with a history of flitting to countries where costs are lower at the drop of a hat, seeking ever greater efficiencies.
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Courier
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There are suggestions that the Ineos Grenardier may actually be built in France at the Hamach Plant currently used by Mercedes for buiklding their Smart car.
Who could blame Ineos with all the supply chain problems about to be laid at the doors of British Manufacturing ?View attachment 892772
Who could blame Ineos with all the supply chain problems about to be laid at the doors of British Manufacturing ?View attachment 892772
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Just move into EXISTING Fords factory.
What French grants are they offering possibly over there???
What French grants are they offering possibly over there???
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Cowabunga
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The owner of Ineos, Sir James Ratcliffe, is one of the rabid Brexit supports. So yes, I will blame him 100% for playing bloody dangerous games with the livelihood of British people and the prosperity of the British economy. It is a commercial no-brainer that he would site his factory abroad, not in the UK that will be outside the EU, and that much should have been obvious to all sensible businessmen for the duration.
Courier
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Probably more about sourcing parts JIT long term than initial set up costs....sadly.