Red Tractor Survey

RichardSou · Apr 2, 2024

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Just to let those who don't get the NFU emails that there is a survey for NFU members "to help develop and inform the NFU’s response to the independent ‘Farm Assurance Review’ – a comprehensive industry-wide assessment of farm assurance" so the more replies they get, the better. I found it very slow to load, but worked eventually.

spin cycle · Apr 2, 2024

ooh...steady

....it's 'all assurance schemes'

RT trying to hide

MrNoo · Apr 2, 2024

And non members or don't we count?? Guess non members would all give negative relies so not wanted.
Still it'll give Blenkers something to do during this wet week

neilo · Apr 2, 2024

MrNoo said:
And non members or don't we count?? Guess non members would all give negative relies so not wanted.
Still it'll give Blenkers something to do during this wet week

The link is so that the NFU can gauge what their members think, so as to formulate the Union’s response.

Non-members will be able to respond through other channels, a BFU response perhaps?

Clive · Apr 2, 2024

neilo said:
The link is so that the NFU can gauge what their members think, so as to formulate the Union’s response.

Non-members will be able to respond through other channels, a BFU response perhaps?

you REALLY think they will ask BFU ?

what they should be doing is using existing AI tools to analysis (without conformation bias) the sentiment of millions of words written by many thousands of farmers over the years online across platforms like TFF / X / facebook etc

that would give a FAR better and truer view than any survey could ever hope to - it's also a LOT cheaper

RichardSou · Apr 2, 2024

MrNoo said:
And non members or don't we count?? Guess non members would all give negative relies so not wanted.
Still it'll give Blenkers something to do during this wet week

I think NFU members will be just as negative as non-members!

Redhill · Apr 2, 2024

neilo said:
The link is so that the NFU can gauge what their members think, so as to formulate the Union’s response.

Non-members will be able to respond through other channels, a BFU response perhaps?

They didn't ask farmers for the past few decades

neilo · Apr 2, 2024

Clive said:
you REALLY think they will ask BFU ?

I would suggest BFU should be doing a similar exercise in gathering members' views and TELLING the survey organisers, not waiting to be asked.

willyorkshire · Apr 2, 2024

Clive said:
you REALLY think they will ask BFU ?

what they should be doing is using existing AI tools to analysis (without conformation bias) the sentiment of millions of words written by many thousands of farmers over the years online across platforms like TFF / X / facebook etc

that would give a FAR better and truer view than any survey could ever hope to - it's also a LOT cheaper

Our local secretary invited me to a local roadshow, despite not being a member. Only 17 people present. However, it was actually quite good, asking lots of questions not just about Assurance but SFI too. Chairman was good, no one was put down or contradicted and he wrote LOTS of notes, no NFU opinions expressed and everything based around asking questions by both sides and discussion around the questions.
The only opinion expressed by NFU was that Council had stopped GFC introduction...... only after the backlash!
BFU must keep pushing at doors - our opinion does matter. I say that because the NFU never, ever mentions BFU. They don't even want to recognise it imo.

Wolds Beef · Apr 2, 2024

I think these meetings are for all.! Anyone who watches Wardy's Waffle last Sunday was invited to the Lincolnshire meeting at the Showground Campus of Riseholme college on the 10th of April between 10am and 12am. I am hoping to go BUT I have a blood pressure check at 2.30pm at my doctors so am not sure it will be a good idea!!. @yellowbelly @DrWazzock
WB

tullah · Apr 2, 2024

willyorkshire said:
Our local secretary invited me to a local roadshow, despite not being a member. Only 17 people present. However, it was actually quite good, asking lots of questions not just about Assurance but SFI too. Chairman was good, no one was put down or contradicted and he wrote LOTS of notes, no NFU opinions expressed and everything based around asking questions by both sides and discussion around the questions.
The only opinion expressed by NFU was that Council had stopped GFC introduction...... only after the backlash!
BFU must keep pushing at doors - our opinion does matter. I say that because the NFU never, ever mentions BFU. They don't even want to recognise it imo.

The government doesn’t recognise Reform either and we’ve seen the consequences.

MrNoo · Apr 2, 2024

neilo said:
The link is so that the NFU can gauge what their members think, so as to formulate the Union’s response.

Non-members will be able to respond through other channels, a BFU response perhaps?

Agreed with what you say but are we ever going to know or find out how many "actual working farmers are members??" They constantly profess to represent all farmers when it suits them but I would wager they only represent a certain percentage, I would say 50% at best but more like 30%. Out of all the farmers I know around here I only know one who is a member.
They wouldn't wish for a response from BFU or it's members as they know that it will all be negative, one of the reasons people joined was their displeasure of RT and GFC. So BFU replies would go straight to the spam folder.

principal skinner · Apr 2, 2024

Has to be border line illegal to not allow non nfu members to comment.

neilo · Apr 2, 2024

principal skinner said:
Has to be border line illegal to not allow non nfu members to comment.

Rubbish. The meeting is to guage member's opinions, so as to formulate a NFU response to the review.
NFU Cymru do the same on this side of the border, to formulate a Union response to Welsh Govt consultations. That's how Unions should work.

The review is open to responses from other than the NFU, so I would suggest that the BFU makes a response too, assuming that's your chosen representative body.

slackjawedyokel · Apr 2, 2024

I don’t think these meetings are open to non-members (pity as I might’ve liked to go to a Northumberland one).

neilo · Apr 2, 2024

MrNoo said:
Agreed with what you say but are we ever going to know or find out how many "actual working farmers are members??" They constantly profess to represent all farmers when it suits them but I would wager they only represent a certain percentage, I would say 50% at best but more like 30%. Out of all the farmers I know around here I only know one who is a member.
They wouldn't wish for a response from BFU or it's members as they know that it will all be negative, one of the reasons people joined was their displeasure of RT and GFC. So BFU replies would go straight to the spam folder.

Is the review not taking responses from other representative organisations? I would expect the TFA and NSA to be responding, just from bodies I'm a member of, and I would expect the BFU to do likewise.

Or you can all just moan on hear that nobody listens to the voice you don't let them hear of course...

principal skinner · Apr 2, 2024

neilo said:
Rubbish. The meeting is to guage member's opinions, so as to formulate a NFU response to the review.
NFU Cymru do the same on this side of the border, to formulate a Union response to Welsh Govt consultations. That's how Unions should work.

The review is open to responses from other than the NFU, so I would suggest that the BFU makes a response too, assuming that's your chosen representative body.

It’s is indeed my chosen representative body because if it wasn’t for the BFU this review would not be taking place at all, remember who led us down this path in the first place, some of them couldn’t even remember if they were at the consultation meeting in the first place, let alone what was said.

crashbox · Apr 2, 2024

MrNoo said:
And non members or don't we count?? Guess non members would all give negative relies so not wanted.
Still it'll give Blenkers something to do during this wet week

So you don't want to be an NFU member, but you want to submit your views to the NFU?

Danllan · Apr 2, 2024

Anyone thinking that the NFU puts the interests of farmers ahead of those of the NFU is a bloody fool.

SilliamWhale · Apr 2, 2024

Clive said:
you REALLY think they will ask BFU ?

what they should be doing is using existing AI tools to analysis (without conformation bias) the sentiment of millions of words written by many thousands of farmers over the years online across platforms like TFF / X / facebook etc

that would give a FAR better and truer view than any survey could ever hope to - it's also a LOT cheaper

The other thing to mention is they are probably not that interested in the answer anyway. Its about collating the answers and spinning it the right way.

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