aberfield sheep

[Ysgythan]

No, it has BFL blood in it. I was offered the chance of being an Aberfield multiplier flock in 2012, I turned it down for the same reason. I don't regret the decision.

Why did you feel the need to say you were not regretful? Freud would have a field day with that...

 

[reverand]

Where has the deep hatred for the bfl come from?

 

[BELOWAVERAGE]

Where has the deep hatred for the bfl come from?

It amuse's me, all these breeds keep being sl@gged off, BFL, Jacob, etc, chap on here who keeps Jacobs, put his weights and price's up the other day, really excellent, then the chap who does most of the sl@gging(who's sheep are obviously superior) puts on another thread how all his superior bred under 35kg lambs are being wintered on roots, until they get to weight(don't tell me they're on old permanent pasture, and life's been against them). The hatred is all in the minds of people, trying to further their own ends or ego's.

 

[Coximus]

Well said

 

[MRT]

The hatred is all in the minds of people, trying to further their own ends or ego's.

My hatred of Jacobs is not in my mind its mainly in the back of my calves where those little horns catch when you shear them

 

[unlacedgecko]

My hatred of Jacobs is not in my mind its mainly in the back of my calves where those little horns catch when you shear them

Reason #478 I'm glad I don't clip sheep...

 

[neilo]

Where has the deep hatred for the bfl come from?

Years of running various types of (hungry) mules, and a dislike of any selection based purely on looks. The reduced inputs needed from changing breeds has been a real eye opener for me, and no reason the same results couldn't be achieved through selection within any population, if the will were there.

 

[neilo]

It amuse's me, all these breeds keep being sl@gged off, BFL, Jacob, etc, chap on here who keeps Jacobs, put his weights and price's up the other day, really excellent, then the chap who does most of the sl@gging(who's sheep are obviously superior) puts on another thread how all his superior bred under 35kg lambs are being wintered on roots, until they get to weight(don't tell me they're on old permanent pasture, and life's been against them). The hatred is all in the minds of people, trying to further their own ends or ego's.

As it's Christmas, I won't bother rising to your venom.

 

[NZDan]

It amuse's me, all these breeds keep being sl@gged off, BFL, Jacob, etc, chap on here who keeps Jacobs, put his weights and price's up the other day, really excellent, then the chap who does most of the sl@gging(who's sheep are obviously superior) puts on another thread how all his superior bred under 35kg lambs are being wintered on roots, until they get to weight(don't tell me they're on old permanent pasture, and life's been against them). The hatred is all in the minds of people, trying to further their own ends or ego's.

Of course those are actual figures which are more an indication of feeding levels than genetic performance.
I'm not the worlds greatest feeder, my ewes tend to be small and low BCS and my lambs while there is a lot of them are never great weights, a good friend of my is a massive feeder, his ewes are twice the weight of mine and so are his lambs, after years of winding each other up I used his top ram(Terminal sire breed) of a number of my ewes this year, guess what his lambs were below average in weaning weight. We've all got to be careful not to confuse good feeding with good breeding.
I for one know I'm while I've bred good sheep, I'm not one for feeding good sheep.

 

[reverand]

Years of running various types of (hungry) mules, and a dislike of any selection based purely on looks. The reduced inputs needed from changing breeds has been a real eye opener for me, and no reason the same results couldn't be achieved through selection within any population, if the will were there.

Understand that but when a company like innovis put a large amount of recording in to it........
I know we have been down this road before.
They must be world's apart.

 

[Lovegoodstock]

Must admit me and @neilo are fairly polar worlds apart other than we value good stock. in however we decide to view it. But until this year run nc mules, chev mules, suff x scot mules and suff x chev mules as ewe lambs, lambed to sell as theaves. Due to no staff split lambing, so keep chev x mules for two further years to lamb. Would buy a proper tupping lamb, lamb at I guess 70k the best maybe, weaning their third crops the heaviest be near 125k. Fully can see why keep such a big ewe all year to rear two lambs, but where me ad @neilo do agree, these girls look after themselves. Not in a serious wet area but also not in grass growing all year round area, don't get a mouthful of hay or silage pre lambing, nor cake, these girls are fit, odd mule I keep for random reason, half the weight but would never survive, big ewes in my opinion don't mean big cost. Also their lambs generally sold @11 weeks average over 40 k, not crept, then ewes shut up on nowt for months, to spend winter living off their backs. Different sheep suit different systems, but some that say big sheep no good too dear to keep, cant tar all with same brush

 

[unlacedgecko]

Must admit me and @neilo are fairly polar worlds apart other than we value good stock. in however we decide to view it. But until this year run nc mules, chev mules, suff x scot mules and suff x chev mules as ewe lambs, lambed to sell as theaves. Due to no staff split lambing, so keep chev x mules for two further years to lamb. Would buy a proper tupping lamb, lamb at I guess 70k the best maybe, weaning their third crops the heaviest be near 125k. Fully can see why keep such a big ewe all year to rear two lambs, but where me ad @neilo do agree, these girls look after themselves. Not in a serious wet area but also not in grass growing all year round area, don't get a mouthful of hay or silage pre lambing, nor cake, these girls are fit, odd mule I keep for random reason, half the weight but would never survive, big ewes in my opinion don't mean big cost. Also their lambs generally sold @11 weeks average over 40 k, not crept, then ewes shut up on nowt for months, to spend winter living off their backs. Different sheep suit different systems, but some that say big sheep no good too dear to keep, cant tar all with same brush

Ewes are 125kgs in weight?! Bloody hell thats a big sheep.

 

[Lovegoodstock]

Heaviest not average!!! And whilst I claim it suits my system, basically bottle out. They are sold as 6t so guess put a bit more on. Sold to a friend up in Lancashire for two years, he shears his own , stopped buying after two years??? Good solid sheep, as fit at weaning as tupping, shut up on nothing post weaning, too fit in most peoples eyes for tupping, but saw sheep in condition score 3.5 at tupping don't need flushing, love them, just a personal preference, but again as I always say, different land, weather, maybe a touch harder climate they would need feeding, then obviously the big girls will cost you more. Though lancs friend said needing a lot less care than nc mules, and hes a nc gimmer lamb seller.

 

[Ysgythan]

And if it wasn't for the Leicester, Charolais sheep wouldn't exist of course @neilo

 

[M-J-G]

Why did you feel the need to say you were not regretful? Freud would have a field day with that...

I think he'd have a full time job on TFF!

 

[CharcoalWally]

I think he'd have a full time job on TFF!

Poor sod would need a holiday!

 

[BELOWAVERAGE]

As it's Christmas, I won't bother rising to your venom.

Its not venom, you spoil it for people constantly running breeds down.

 

[barloj]

He is out with the ewes I will tell you in a couple of years! I wouldn't use him a terminal sire. I put him out with NCCs to breed replacements.

Any good ?

 

[Ysgythan]

What do they scan like?

 

[Al R]

What do they scan like?

Aberfields?

All of the following were mated with 4 Charolais and Charolais x Sufftex.
Aberfield x Welsh ewe lambs 110%.
Aberfield x mule (BFL x Welsh mule) ewe lambs 125%.
BFL x welsh ewe lambs did 130%
Mule x texel ewe lambs did 140%.

These are all roughlys. A lot more singles with the Aberfields x mule and there already 70kg at 11 month old where as the mule x texel's are 62-63kg average.

Just trying Aberfields but arnt convinced yet and are hearing horror stories from some people. Bought 2 Rams for a trial in 2015, 1 died after 6 months so only 1 left but we kept 20 ewe lambs from each.