Claas arion 650 disappointing performance

[Romeogolf]

I took my new low loader and excavator on a trip today which was within, but close, to the legal limit.
I found that the weight didn’t boss the tractor, but the performance on hills was dreadful. I haven’t done much heavy hauling with it, but couldn’t believe how gutless it was, down to 12k on an incline which, frankly, is dangerous.

What sort of weights are others towing behind this tractor, and do you feel they are powerful enough to do it safely. It’s left me feeling quite uneasy about using it next time. I think I’d have been better off with my old Tm140 on the front.

 

[john432]

Hexashift, or the vario transmission,C-matic?

 

[Lofty1984]

New trailer brakes not sticking slightly are they?

 

[Romeogolf]

Hexashift, or the vario transmission,C-matic?

Hexashift

 

[Romeogolf]

New trailer brakes not sticking slightly are they?

Is that common? Plausible, as even empty it made hard work of it.

 

[solo]

Commercial axles and cold first thing seems to make them harder to pull as well as cold tractor oil. Often find they roll better after an hour or so once warm.

 

[fendtfiasco]

What age is the tractor and how many hours? Tractors do need to warm up properly before they perform, after all all digger drivers start their diggers and let them warm up for maybe 10 minutes before they use them.

Reality is you have to go up maybe 30 hp if you are changing from an older tractor pre emissions regulations strangling them.

Its environmentally friendly to sell a far bigger heavier tractor that uses more diesel but emits less polution.

 

[tullah]

Check air filter is not full of crud.

 

[Romeogolf]

What age is the tractor and how many hours? Tractors do need to warm up properly before they perform, after all all digger drivers start their diggers and let them warm up for maybe 10 minutes before they use them.

Reality is you have to go up maybe 30 hp if you are changing from an older tractor pre emissions regulations strangling them.

Its environmentally friendly to sell a far bigger heavier tractor that uses more diesel but emits less polution.

2015MY on 5500hrs. Had the tractor running whilst loading machine, probably 15 minutes or so to let her warm through.
Perhaps I am expecting too much from 180hp.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

When we were on maize last year there was a 650 on with a decent size trailer. It was probably a 6/7 mile haul and every load, whoever he was following he would have caught up with the tractor in front by the time they were back at the clamp.

 

[Fendtbro]

What age is the tractor and how many hours? Tractors do need to warm up properly before they perform, after all all digger drivers start their diggers and let them warm up for maybe 10 minutes before they use them.

Reality is you have to go up maybe 30 hp if you are changing from an older tractor pre emissions regulations strangling them.

Its environmentally friendly to sell a far bigger heavier tractor that uses more diesel but emits less polution.

But surely the tractor is bought on it’s rated horsepower.. some will be just on the rating and no more, some will be a good bit more. None should be less? Emission setup should not kill the hp? Transmission’s make a big difference, vario seem to be very power hungry, but the hexashift should fly along. Local contractors ones here go like stink.. Check all brakes are free then put tractor on a dyno.. if still not happy you might have to accept that 7.5 hp per ton is just not enough.

 

[Andy26]

Are we talking a 5t Excavator or a 13t?

 

[lexion780tt]

Those series arions were terrible on the road had torque curve wrong for road work always seem to have power in the field but on road flat as a pancake always feal like hand brake is on!

The only way to liven then up is get dpf deleted they dont need any more hp as they like blowing up back ends but torque curve needs adjusting for road work

 

[Pistonbroke]

Neighbour has one that was very disappointing and had a lot of engine work done under warranty but the cure was a steinbauer van one day. Now it goes well

 

[lexion780tt]

when we used to pdi one used to think there was somthing wrong with one, if you went from a t3 640 to t3b 650 big let down claas had a go at tweaking them but didnt make much difference

 

[Dman2]

Our 2008 630 pulls like a train

 

[Romeogolf]

Are we talking a 5t Excavator or a 13t?

13T, it would be one heck of a trailer to be near the weight limit with a 5T machine!

 

[Chae1]

Are these still JD engines?

Neighbour had a 650 and didn't keep it long. Not sure what was worst with it

 

[Andy26]

13T, it would be one heck of a trailer to be near the weight limit with a 5T machine!

You're asking a lot of a 180hp, need 250hp to pull that sensibly. Or a lorry!

 

[Romeogolf]

Those series arions were terrible on the road had torque curve wrong for road work always seem to have power in the field but on road flat as a pancake always feal like hand brake is on!

The only way to liven then up is get dpf deleted they dont need any more hp as they like blowing up back ends but torque curve needs adjusting for road work

I agree, I haven’t felt it lacking in the field. Pulls a 4m Freeflow around no problem at all up and down hills, 4m cultivator etc.
I thought the trailer brakes were binding, but on a small slope in the yard the whole unit rolled easily so there can’t be too much resistance.

Not keen on mapping, to be honest it may well have sealed its fate. I’ve been considering changing it for a while, I may have to consider is a bit more seriously now. I just wanted to see if mine was a pup, or they were all like it!