Grain sales

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
The only way we will ever get round this problem now is to set up our own farmers cooperative direct retail business. We need to own the supply chain from start to finish.
I’d still have some basic assurance in there like a quick walk through the farmers premises but I wouldn’t be insisting on a lot of the stuff that has nothing to do with food safety.

I think there were a couple of bird seed suppliers who took very limited quantities of non assured grain last time I heard. We sent a couple of loads in for an elderly non assured neighbour whose combining we used to do. Top quality wold land wheat to be fed to sparrows just because there was no paperwork. They were fussier on moisture and bushelweight than a lot of RT customers ironically.
 

Hooby Farmer

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Location
roe valley
I am not FA for grain it all goes to a merchant, albeit I only grow around 40ac so in the region of 100ish ton. I've never had any problems selling it. A year where the price is on the floor there is a slight reduction in price but only £5-7ton most years its the same as FA grain.
 
Find someone who finishes cattle.
Not quite that simple, they would need to buy farm assured only if they are assured themselves, and from experience any farms down this way that will buy non assured grain are so small the tonage is almost insignificant, some big pheasant shoots on the other hand are getting through big amounts.
 

Fergieman

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Not quite that simple, they would need to buy farm assured only if they are assured themselves, and from experience any farms down this way that will buy non assured grain are so small the tonage is almost insignificant, some big pheasant shoots on the other hand are getting through big amounts.

Is that the case. I sell direct to a few differents farms never been asked for a farm assurance number.
 

Gedd

Member
Not quite that simple, they would need to buy farm assured only if they are assured themselves, and from experience any farms down this way that will buy non assured grain are so small the tonage is almost insignificant, some big pheasant shoots on the other hand are getting through big amounts.
Don't have to be assured to feed to cattle
 
Don't have to be assured to feed to cattle
That's not what my assessor said. So you are telling me I can sell the farm assured grain I grow and purchase non assured feeds to feed my assured cattle? If that's the case why do the people I sell to farm to farm need my assurance number?
 

dunkie

Member
Location
West Lothian
Not quite that simple, they would need to buy farm assured only if they are assured themselves, and from experience any farms down this way that will buy non assured grain are so small the tonage is almost insignificant, some big pheasant shoots on the other hand are getting through big amounts.
Not quite that simple, they would need to buy farm assured only if they are assured themselves, and from experience any farms down this way that will buy non assured grain are so small the tonage is almost insignificant, some big pheasant shoots on the other hand are getting through big amounts.
Must be different in Scotland, Grain Merchants buy it, have sold thousands of tons, assurance schemes for cattle and sheep only require grain growers to keep crop records for farm to farm sales, gone are the days of grain growers fattening cattle, planting fodder crops for lamb finishing, I appreciate the market in some areas is small.
 
Must be different in Scotland, Grain Merchants buy it, have sold thousands of tons, assurance schemes for cattle and sheep only require grain growers to keep crop records for farm to farm sales, gone are the days of grain growers fattening cattle, planting fodder crops for lamb finishing, I appreciate the market in some areas is small.
Here's a screen shot, it goes on to say that feeds bought in from another farm must be have a passport and sticker. ( if I've read it correctly). Is this different to your standards.
Edit, re reading the page it seems you may be able to buy non assured feed if you do a self declaration, if this is ture they need to teach there assessors the rules before they try to suspend us.
 

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Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
No need to accept a non assured discount. There are plenty of neighbouring farmers cooperating storing each others wheat. What's more the buggers will never trace it!

Can I assume from wat you post that grain from a non assured farm business finds its way into a farm assured business grain store and is then sold as such. Out of interest how do those farmers involved decide who is to be the assured farm with all the attendant costs and potential risk of being found out and who is left alone as non assured.
 

Gedd

Member
That's not what my assessor said. So you are telling me I can sell the farm assured grain I grow and purchase non assured feeds to feed my assured cattle? If that's the case why do the people I sell to farm to farm need my assurance number?
Never been asked if my feed is assured on an inspection and a lot around here is moved non assured farm to farm
 

nick...

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Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
Can I assume from wat you post that grain from a non assured farm business finds its way into a farm assured business grain store and is then sold as such. Out of interest how do those farmers involved decide who is to be the assured farm with all the attendant costs and potential risk of being found out and who is left alone as non assured.
I know of a couple of farmers doing this and what makes it worse is that I know the rep buying it too.bloody double standards
nick...
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
Here's a screen shot, it goes on to say that feeds bought in from another farm must be have a passport and sticker. ( if I've read it correctly). Is this different to your standards.
Edit, re reading the page it seems you may be able to buy non assured feed if you do a self declaration, if this is ture they need to teach there assessors the rules before they try to suspend us.
I suspect that if a livestock farm has his own grain, but not enough of it, he isn’t going to tell the assessor that he bought the rest of what he needs to feed his livestock. Therefore can’t be arsed to get the assurance details for it.

Never volunteer information or facts that are not needed of the assessor doesn’t ask for!
 

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

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