Grain sales

[digger64]

That's not what my assessor said. So you are telling me I can sell the farm assured grain I grow and purchase non assured feeds to feed my assured cattle? If that's the case why do the people I sell to farm to farm need my assurance number?

they dont

 

[DRC]

That's not what my assessor said. So you are telling me I can sell the farm assured grain I grow and purchase non assured feeds to feed my assured cattle? If that's the case why do the people I sell to farm to farm need my assurance number?

I too sell most of my barley to three customers, two fattening cattle, one pigs, who have never asked for a number or sticker.

 

[DrWazzock]

I too sell most of my barley to three customers, two fattening cattle, one pigs, who have never asked for a number or sticker.

It’s alright while some of the inspectors are people who have worked in the industry and cut us a bit of slack. I worry about the day our inspector retires and we get somebody less pragmatic in his place. He is as sick of it as we are and can’t wait to retire. He knows a good lot of it is nonsense. “Can I see your grain bucket cleaning record?”. He knows we clean it or check it before loading every load even if we don’t have time to record each instance. We write “1st June” on the official record which is meaningless but it satisfies the system. We have a chuckle about it and move on.

 

[tullah]

Can I assume from wat you post that grain from a non assured farm business finds its way into a farm assured business grain store and is then sold as such. Out of interest how do those farmers involved decide who is to be the assured farm with all the attendant costs and potential risk of being found out and who is left alone as non assured.

What's the difference between that and non assured imports getting tipped on the so called assured heap?
And of course the mills buy uk non assured at a discount and then quietly tip on the assured heap.
Its an expensive joke that needs sorting.

 

[DrWazzock]

Can I assume from wat you post that grain from a non assured farm business finds its way into a farm assured business grain store and is then sold as such. Out of interest how do those farmers involved decide who is to be the assured farm with all the attendant costs and potential risk of being found out and who is left alone as non assured.

It used to work like that for us in a woolly sort of way until about 8 years ago. We were contractors for a couple of elderly neighbours and we brought their grain into our approved store even though they weren’t assured themselves. The RT man didn’t have a problem with that. The crops had been grown under the supervision of Basis reg agronomists and moved straight off our combine into our store and loaded by ourselves. There wasn’t a risk or a downside to the end customer and the smaller neighbours were saved the full force of the RT overhead…….then RT got a bit sniffy about it, we got fed up taking the risk and cost so we just do our own now. I wouldn’t get involved in “laundering” non assured grain. I’d I think though that some kind of umbrella system could work as it used to, to allow a group of small farmers to operate under one assurance number with one decent approved store.

 

[fieldfarmer]

What's the difference between that and non assured imports getting tipped on the so called assured heap?
And of course the mills buy uk non assured at a discount and then quietly tip on the assured heap.
Its an expensive joke that needs sorting.

If cattle finishers can use non assured why does the Mills not run 2 batches for cake, and sell non assured cake at a discount. It seems I might be in the market for buying non assured barely to feed to my livstock and sell more of my assured crops,

 

[DrWazzock]

The feed mills here, big or small won’t buy any non assured.
I don’t blame them actually. I’m not against assurance per se, but against the way it’s moved to encompass things that are nothing to do with product safety and has become insufficiently pragnatic.

 

[tullah]

The feed mills here, big or small won’t buy any non assured.
I don’t blame them actually. I’m not against assurance per se, but against the way it’s moved to encompass things that are nothing to do with product safety and has become insufficiently pragnatic.

I meant to say it gets tipped on the assured heap. Whether they officially knowingly buy it or not is a different matter.

 

[DRC]

If cattle finishers can use non assured why does the Mills not run 2 batches for cake, and sell non assured cake at a discount. It seems I might be in the market for buying non assured barely to feed to my livstock and sell more of my assured crops,

There’s no difference in price in what I sell directly to other farmers. It is assured, it’s just they don’t ask t see any evidence

 

[Barleymow]

I know of a couple of farmers doing this and what makes it worse is that I know the rep buying it too.bloody double standards
nick...

Can you you get proof of this to challenge rt with the evidence would help to rid us of it

 

[Full of bull(s)]

It’s alright while some of the inspectors are people who have worked in the industry and cut us a bit of slack. I worry about the day our inspector retires and we get somebody less pragmatic in his place. He is as sick of it as we are and can’t wait to retire. He knows a good lot of it is nonsense. “Can I see your grain bucket cleaning record?”. He knows we clean it or check it before loading every load even if we don’t have time to record each instance. We write “1st June” on the official record which is meaningless but it satisfies the system. We have a chuckle about it and move on.

I wish people would check their bucket, I got a load of barley last year when it was tipped two dead ewes came out with it

 

[DRC]

I wish people would check their bucket, I got a load of barley last year when it was tipped two dead ewes came out with it

I left some fence posts in my bucket once. The same lorry driver came back for another load

 

[nick...]

Can you you get proof of this to challenge rt with the evidence would help to rid us of it

Probably not.i know it’s happening though
nick...

 

[Gedd]

I left some fence posts in my bucket once. The same lorry driver came back for another load

I done similar had been sowing grass seed brought the unused seed back in the bucket went to do another job came back started to load a wagon seen the bags when I tipped the first load climbed in retrieved the bags after doing a risk assessment of course

 

[Fergieman]

Here's a screen shot, it goes on to say that feeds bought in from another farm must be have a passport and sticker. ( if I've read it correctly). Is this different to your standards.
Edit, re reading the page it seems you may be able to buy non assured feed if you do a self declaration, if this is ture they need to teach there assessors the rules before they try to suspend us.

Your screen shot says bought in feed to be assured but the standard below says its a recommendation that cereals are assured so don't have to be assured.
What's the difference between feed and cereals I am not sure.

 

[MrNoo]

Can I assume from wat you post that grain from a non assured farm business finds its way into a farm assured business grain store and is then sold as such. Out of interest how do those farmers involved decide who is to be the assured farm with all the attendant costs and potential risk of being found out and who is left alone as non assured.

No different to imported mixed with our RT assured and then magically becoming RT grain. It's an utter farce, yet NFU just sit there and let it happen (they own RT or certainly part of it) the whole charade is a total and utter shitshow and the blame lies fairly and squarely at NFU's doors. AIC, NFU and RT all in bed together

 

[fieldfarmer]

No different to imported mixed with our RT assured and then magically becoming RT grain. It's an utter farce, yet NFU just sit there and let it happen (they own RT or certainly part of it) the whole charade is a total and utter shitshow and the blame lies fairly and squarely at NFU's doors. AIC, NFU and RT all in bed together

Agree, the more you / we look into it shows how ridiculous it is, I grow a few 1000, tons of assured grain and feed a 100 plus tons to fatten my cattle that are farm assured but this feed could be bought from a none assured source.

 

[Renaultman]

Never been asked if my feed is assured on an inspection and a lot around here is moved non assured farm to farm

I often sell some farm to farm to a friend, his inspector always asks for my FA no when he gets audited

 

[SilliamWhale]

No different to imported mixed with our RT assured and then magically becoming RT grain. It's an utter farce, yet NFU just sit there and let it happen (they own RT or certainly part of it) the whole charade is a total and utter shitshow and the blame lies fairly and squarely at NFU's doors. AIC, NFU and RT all in bed together

I don't think its right that imports become RT grain. Its more that grain doesn't need to RT grain to be sold to RT farms as feed or milling to become RT livestock assured. But apparently to sell it to any mill in the UK it needs to be RT.

But the rest I totally agree with

 

[fieldfarmer]

I often sell some farm to farm to a friend, his inspector always asks for my FA no when he gets audited

Me too, but it appears they have no right to ask and certainly not issue a none compliance, shows what a farse the whole show is.