New red tractor standards agreed

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
“We’re changing the goalposts and not going to tell you what they are, but we expect you to still pay to sign up to them”

Absolutely fxxxxxx unbelievable. WTF are the NFU doing

Read the quote of Stuart Roberts in the piece @Clive posted and you will see that NFU are full square behind it and supporting it. I know Stuart Roberts very well and frankly I’m very disappointed in both him and his statement …….. but he will have had to toe the line from above.
 

MrNoo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
but he will have had to toe the line from above.

The trouble with the NFU, the Guy Smiths, Batters etc all dictate but then they need to so their future gravy train is secure.
I shall be contacting my Insurers to inform them I wont be insuring with them again at renewal due to the link between them and the NFU. Someone else can have my £14k a year
 

D14

Member
Read the quote of Stuart Roberts in the piece @Clive posted and you will see that NFU are full square behind it and supporting it. I know Stuart Roberts very well and frankly I’m very disappointed in both him and his statement …….. but he will have had to toe the line from above.

Because he just wants to be on the gravy train and head up the nfu when minute is ousted for being crap.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
Because he just wants to be on the gravy train and head up the nfu when minute is ousted for being crap.

That’s a bit unfair. In reality he is in a difficult position and has to promote the agreed NFU line. The problem is “the line”.

Whilst my view on RT is at significant odds to The President I do not in any way consider that she is doing a “crap” job.
The workload and level of commitment required to do the role is simply immense. One has to question in times like this whether it is asking too much of people. I just marvel that people are prepared to take on such a commitment.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Read the quote of Stuart Roberts in the piece @Clive posted and you will see that NFU are full square behind it and supporting it. I know Stuart Roberts very well and frankly I’m very disappointed in both him and his statement …….. but he will have had to toe the line from above.


he seemed no fan off RT when I spoke to him at Groundswell


increasingly it seems to me the NFU is like an episode of Yes Minister where the officer front men are simply puppets manipulated by others (even though they probably don't think so or see it !)


They always seem like such decent people whenever I meet them with personal views that rarely seem to mirror "official" policy - why is that ?
 

Bob lincs

Member
Arable Farmer
The trouble with the NFU, the Guy Smiths, Batters etc all dictate but then they need to so their future gravy train is secure.
I shall be contacting my Insurers to inform them I wont be insuring with them again at renewal due to the link between them and the NFU. Someone else can have my £14k a year
That’s exactly what we have done .
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
So they say our benefits are;

  • Producing what the market wants;
  • Promoting British food;
  • Farming with pride;
  • Less red tape;
  • Building a strong brand;
  • Adding value to your business.
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they seriously achieve almost the polar opposite to this - why on earth can't they see that ?


you could not make this all up its so ridiculous
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Apparently NFU aren't being very supportive or helpful when it's come to asking RT and AIC to provide a level playingfield for cereals.

They seemingly think they know best, and won't do anything about it.

The NFU, (not) standing up for British farmers!
 

graham mc

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
East Yorkshire
who are the people at the top of the nfu then that seam to brainwash all the new people who join up?? they all seam decent folk full of opinions and ideas etc then after the initial few months have a complete personality change??

the head people we hear and see must have another secret layer above them who we never seam to know about. are nfu red tractor etc all headed up by some secret people we never hear about????
 
Location
East Mids
At least in the dairy game if you sell to a supplier and meet their required hurdles, you get paid extra for it. Red tractor is an irrelevance to most dairy farmers. They already meet far stricter standards. The average red tractor inspector couldn't even read the label on a box of dry cow tubes.
Not necessarily. In our case (manufacturing contract) they took money off the 'standard price calculation' (butterfat and protein content) and converted it to an in-house assurance compliance payment. So we don't get paid more for compliance, we get penalised for non-compliance - there is a difference. If non-compliance is persistent then we get chucked out. And that's on top of if we don't address RT non-compliance within the 28 days so lose our RT status, we get chucked out as well.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
who are the people at the top of the nfu then that seam to brainwash all the new people who join up?? they all seam decent folk full of opinions and ideas etc then after the initial few months have a complete personality change??

the head people we hear and see must have another secret layer above them who we never seam to know about. are nfu red tractor etc all headed up by some secret people we never hear about????

An astute post. Office holders are transient, the real power and policy direction lies with the Executive. I can think of one in particular, considered by many as “the brains” and as far removed from having any empathy or understanding of an ordinary member as you could possibly imagine.
It’s just like Government, senior civil service shape much of the direction in reality.
 

graham mc

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
East Yorkshire
What's the point of the elected so called members if those behind closed doors are running nfu no substance in the elected members.
the attraction of being the first to change things maybe??? even if 20 have been before theres always someone who thinks they can

or they are addicted to gravy or trains maybe?
 

beardface

Member
Location
East Yorkshire
So they had survey responses from 1.6% of members. They had feedback from industry and consumers, but it doesn't state how much feedback came from actual members. Not quite sure how that gives them the right to pass new standards. Surely there is a legal case to built around member input. As a producer led scheme in theory we, as members, should be entitled to an open vote on any alterations to standards?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
So they had survey responses from 1.6% of members. They had feedback from industry and consumers, but it doesn't state how much feedback came from actual members. Not quite sure how that gives them the right to pass new standards. Surely there is a legal case to built around member input. As a producer led scheme in theory we, as members, should be entitled to an open vote on any alterations to standards?

its funny that NFU officers and RT supporters / employees like Guy Smith dismissed the TFF referendum as irrelevant due to low response

however it seems more responded to that TFF thread than their own official consultation !
 

Barleymow

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Ipswich
Is it right they chickened out of cereals fearing confrontation?its not like we would have torn the tent down like our French friends might do
 

Raider112

Member
its funny that NFU officers and RT supporters / employees like Guy Smith dismissed the TFF referendum as irrelevant due to low response

however it seems more responded to that TFF thread than their own official consultation !
We all browse on here and it's easy to post your thoughts as you do so, but speaking as someone who did the consultation it was a bit of a PITA to be honest. I did it as I felt it was important rather than because it was how I want to spend my time.
 

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