So how do you achieve low N in sb

[Bossfarmer]

160kg/n

how did it yield? malt barley will be around £180/t this year on contract, decent margin if you get 3t/acre

 

[M-J-G]

We grow about 4-500T of low N.

Usually ok for spec, although we've not cut this year's yet, but I'm not convinced it will be good.

N could be an issue with so little rain early on and when it got rain it will have rushed it to the heads.
Crops are a bit uneven so germination could be an issue too.
On a year where the maltsters have plenty left over, I'd guess the goalposts could shifted quite a bit.

The irony is that a lot of seed spec barley will have a much lower germination % than is allowed for malting barley yet it's 2-3 times the price.

I don't see a future in Low N barley, people will only let a dog keep biting them for so long.

 

[ajd132]

how did it yield? malt barley will be around £180/t this year on contract, decent margin if you get 3t/acre

About 6t/ha, it’s a lower yielding variety compared to planet and laureate, it’s more like concerto.

 

[ajd132]

We grow about 4-500T of low N.

Usually ok for spec, although we've not cut this year's yet, but I'm not convinced it will be good.

N could be an issue with so little rain early on and when it got rain it will have rushed it to the heads.
Crops are a bit uneven so germination could be an issue too.
On a year where the maltsters have plenty left over, I'd guess the goalposts could shifted quite a bit.

The irony is that a lot of seed spec barley will have a much lower germination % than is allowed for malting barley yet it's 2-3 times the price.

I don't see a future in Low N barley, people will only let a dog keep biting them for so long.

You need close homes and a really good grain store. We have boortmalt not far and it all goes to Camgrain to be stored properly. People will carry on around here.

 

[M-J-G]

We are in a strong malting barley area and we have several stores within a few miles, and they'll take it next day if we have time to load it.

It alloys me that I can't blast the ground with dung (as we have plenty of it) and structure is very difficult to maintain without plenty of OM.

 

[PSQ]

1. sheep - he walked his stubbles all winter with sheep

No wonder beer is expensive

Also explains why Carling and Budweiser taste like they do.

 

[Happy]

Not growing mine within 2 years of ploughing up a grass ley and never putting dung ahead of SB crop seems to work for me.
100-110 units N/acre in total. Half on top of ploughing the rest as soon as tramlines visible.
Did put first dose on seedbed after sowing & rolled in for a couple of years but had some over 1.65N both times so went back to ahead of drill.
Many of course combine drill first N alongside seed.

 

[Brisel]

Also explains why Carling and Budweiser taste like they do.

“Like making love in a canoe - f***ing close to water”

Monty Python, Live at the Hollywood Bowl,1980

 

[HAM135]

how did it yield? malt barley will be around £180/t this year on contract, decent margin if you get 3t/acre

Whoopee!! and the unpriced part of the contract rumoured to be £130!!

 

[Chae1]

Whoopee!! and the unpriced part of the contract rumoured to be £130!!

Exactly. Not very exciting.

If they'll take it and not find a reason to reject it.

 

[Frodo]

Whoopee!! and the unpriced part of the contract rumoured to be £130!!

At least that softens the blow of rejections (slightly).

 

[Flat 10]

Exactly. Not very exciting.

If they'll take it and not find a reason to reject it.

Don’t understand. I’d grow spring barley at £180 all day and as for selling something unpriced not on your Nellie!

 

[Chae1]

Don’t understand. I’d grow spring barley at £180 all day and as for selling something unpriced not on your Nellie!

What happens is contracts 50:50 spot price based and nov 20 futures plus £20. So you could have fixed at 160 and get 180. Once you've fixed at £160 you are legally obliged to supply it. If you can't due to not meeting spec, you can receive a invoice from company for buying barley back you fixed and couldn't supply. Not a problem this year when plenty barley at low prices but in 2018 when feed barley was £180/t it could have cost a lot of money.

The spot element of contract you send it away on a lorry, unaware of price your getting. Madness I know. Guess you just have to look at averages. In 2019 I had fixed some loads at £200/t! Spot was under £120. I only averaged £150 something.

So although bossman is making it sound great selling 3t/acre@£180/t. It isn't. Unless he has some sort of special arrangement.

 

[Flat 10]

What happens is contracts 50:50 spot price based and nov 20 futures plus £20. So you could have fixed at 160 and get 180. Once you've fixed at £160 you are legally obliged to supply it. If you can't due to not meeting spec, you can receive a invoice from company for buying barley back you fixed and couldn't supply. Not a problem this year when plenty barley at low prices but in 2018 when feed barley was £180/t it could have cost a lot of money.

The spot element of contract you send it away on a lorry, unaware of price your getting. Madness I know. Guess you just have to look at averages. In 2019 I had fixed some loads at £200/t! Spot was under £120. I only averaged £150 something.

So although bossman is making it sound great selling 3t/acre@£180/t. It isn't. Unless he has some sort of special arrangement.

Thanks.