US President cites cover crops in speech

martian

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N Herts
It won't do anything for climate change but if they want to pay me I'm definitely keen
Picture the central plains of the USA as bare ground, which it can look like if you fly over it, and then imagine it again green, with growing cover crops. You can't tell me that that will have no effect on the weather. Then carry on abusing the soils year on year, losing SOM, chucking more CO2 into the atmosphere, unable to keep cover growing, you'll change the weather patterns, cause climate change. North Africa was the bread basket of the Roman Empire, now desert. It doesn't rain partly because there aren't growing plants transpiring water into the atmosphere and seeding the clouds, it's a vicious cycle. Vast chunks of the world are heading in the same direction.

Good farming is the only way to sort out climate change, you need to add a super-hero cape to your mankini and just accept it.
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Evidently not listening to one of my local farmers!
Been following his trials on cover crops and DD for a long time and lots of mistakes made (could easily find the solutions on here). Seems more of a way to justify current system. Seen it loads of times people doing an absolutely pathetically managed effort on dd/cover crops then say it’s sh!t to tell themselves they don’t need to do it!
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Been following his trials on cover crops and DD for a long time and lots of mistakes made (could easily find the solutions on here). Seems more of a way to justify current system. Seen it loads of times people doing an absolutely pathetically managed effort on dd/cover crops then say it’s sh!t to tell themselves they don’t need to do it!

And of course, vice versa. :unsure:

But from my one view of the video, he did seem to poo-pooh the whole concept of CC and DD somewhat... Maybe I am being unfair, but your comments suggests otherwise...
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
And of course, vice versa. :unsure:

But from my one view of the video, he did seem to poo-pooh the whole concept of CC and DD somewhat... Maybe I am being unfair, but your comments suggests otherwise...
I follow the videos and history of the field. The cover was planted in September same day it was harvested and there was loads of videos he put up of terrible shedding in august storms.
It’s just not a very good representation of the whole thing really.
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Can’t remember where I saw it but it was a satellite image or something along those line that showed the oxygen coming from the US mid west’s maize crop and it equaled the rainforests. All the tree hugging farmer bashing politicians forget that the world still has to eat. Throw the money towards sustainable agriculture that feeds people rather that paying farmers to be puppets for the masses. I’m all for cover crops and making the soil the best it can be but isn’t it about time the powers to be stop controlling what happens in agriculture. After all every farm has a manager worker accountant and every other profession all rolled into one on hand 24/7. Not many business can say that.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Been following his trials on cover crops and DD for a long time and lots of mistakes made (could easily find the solutions on here). Seems more of a way to justify current system. Seen it loads of times people doing an absolutely pathetically managed effort on dd/cover crops then say it’s sh!t to tell themselves they don’t need to do it!

Ajd, hi, could you expand on the mistakes made? I think we need to learn - and would welcome your observations. Thank you.
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Ajd, hi, could you expand on the mistakes made? I think we need to learn - and would welcome your observations. Thank you.
Seen loads of times things happening like using cover based on cereals, or allowing really think volunteer cereals to grow within a cover then not killing it early enough before a spring cereal. Mustard also being the ‘go to’ trial cover crop because it’s cheap is another mistake often made, mustard on its own does very little for the soil and increases slugs.
cover crops drilled too late often and incredibly expensive mixtures used which I find hard to justify. I.e black oats over spring oats. Can really do it all very cheaply if you try.

I’ve made all these mistakes and many more so hopefully I speak from experience!
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Seen loads of times things happening like using cover based on cereals, or allowing really think volunteer cereals to grow within a cover then not killing it early enough before a spring cereal. Mustard also being the ‘go to’ trial cover crop because it’s cheap is another mistake often made, mustard on its own does very little for the soil and increases slugs.
cover crops drilled too late often and incredibly expensive mixtures used which I find hard to justify. I.e black oats over spring oats. Can really do it all very cheaply if you try.

I’ve made all these mistakes and many more so hopefully I speak from experience!

So best low cost CC mix for you now before a spring cereal crop is?
 
Picture the central plains of the USA as bare ground, which it can look like if you fly over it, and then imagine it again green, with growing cover crops. You can't tell me that that will have no effect on the weather. Then carry on abusing the soils year on year, losing SOM, chucking more CO2 into the atmosphere, unable to keep cover growing, you'll change the weather patterns, cause climate change. North Africa was the bread basket of the Roman Empire, now desert. It doesn't rain partly because there aren't growing plants transpiring water into the atmosphere and seeding the clouds, it's a vicious cycle. Vast chunks of the world are heading in the same direction.

Good farming is the only way to sort out climate change, you need to add a super-hero cape to your mankini and just accept it.

We are pumping out heaps of stored up carbon from other sources
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
So best low cost CC mix for you now before a spring cereal crop is?
I am favouring stuff that dies in the winter. Linseed, buckwheat etc, had some peas in ours, would like to get clover understory going too.
I think my summer catch crop of sunflowers, linseed and buckwheat cost about £11/ha and my over winter mix of linseed, buckwheat, peas and phacelia was about £20/ha.
still learning on what’s best though, all I know is cereals and mustard are rubbish cover crops on heavier land.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
I am favouring stuff that dies in the winter. Linseed, buckwheat etc, had some peas in ours, would like to get clover understory going too.
I think my summer catch crop of sunflowers, linseed and buckwheat cost about £11/ha and my over winter mix of linseed, buckwheat, peas and phacelia was about £20/ha.
still learning on what’s best though, all I know is cereals and mustard are rubbish cover crops on heavier land.

That is hugely competitive in cost! Presumably buying straights in decent quantities?
 

EddieB

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Arable Farmer
Location
Staffs
A high proportion of species prone to winter kill works well, although obviously a -10 in November would be a bit of a pain. I was left with just clover and vetch after rolling some of ours in the frost. I might look at a similar mix this year without the vetch, and leave the living clover to drill into.
 

silverfox

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Location
Shropshire
Been following his trials on cover crops and DD for a long time and lots of mistakes made (could easily find the solutions on here). Seems more of a way to justify current system. Seen it loads of times people doing an absolutely pathetically managed effort on dd/cover crops then say it’s sh!t to tell themselves they don’t need to do it!
It’s true though . You don’t NEED to do it.😀
 

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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