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Turkish_FR

Member
Mixed Farmer
During the Second World War, when German U boats were sinking vital food and supply convoys from abroad, and putting our nation’s very survival in jeopardy Winston Spencer Churchill said that “we must never, ever be in this position again”.

If they can shink your ship, they can shot your farmlands as well or they can shot your fuel supply means or can spread agricultural diseases or something else, so they can stop your agricultural activity in many ways. Most of the countries have their food stores for "bad" days, freshened periodically, makes no difference produce it yourself to store or import it from another country to store. Dont get me wrong I love farming but I cant ignore facts.
 

nelly55

Member
Location
Yorkshire
Well while all the bankers,think tank know all’s and the rest of the so far off this plant lot get their own way and sell us all down the river.Who will shout first .Without food which could easily happen ( just look at this virus situation) it won’t be much fun with empty bellies telling everyone they got it wrong.Because mate if we have land and a few livestock we won’t be hungry.The world has gone mad,17 year old shouting at us oldies and everyone following her would they put their heads in the oven as my mother used to say.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Staying the obvious, subsidies and support aside, if farmers don’t get paid anything, they won’t grow food.

But the Bloke’s still a tosser! And here in his terms it why:
Without some form of support, Rents will collapse. Landlords won’t be able to get anybody to farm their land, reducing its value.
The price of Farmland for Owner occupiers will also collapse too.
All of a sudden all Agricultural debt becomes completely understandable and the Banks call all their loans in.
This causes even more of land sales, reducing its value even more and the Banks collapse!

This then bleeds into all House mortgages and the value of Bricks and Mortar collapses too.

WTF (Who) does this twunt think he is and where did he learn his maths?

What a complete and utter idiot!
Yes, its 1922 all over again!!!
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Staying the obvious, subsidies and support aside, if farmers don’t get paid anything, they won’t grow food.

But the Bloke’s still a tosser! And here in his terms it why:
Without some form of support, Rents will collapse. Landlords won’t be able to get anybody to farm their land, reducing its value.
The price of Farmland for Owner occupiers will also collapse too.
All of a sudden all Agricultural debt becomes completely understandable and the Banks call all their loans in.
This causes even more of land sales, reducing its value even more and the Banks collapse!

This then bleeds into all House mortgages and the value of Bricks and Mortar collapses too.

WTF (Who) does this twunt think he is and where did he learn his maths?

What a complete and utter idiot!
While I agree with your conclusion you are wrong to assume that these people care one jot about the fate of a few farms and farming families spread out over a very large area that contribute so little, as they see it, to the nation's economy. They talk the talk, depending on the audience addressed at the time, but they are not concerned in the slightest. In fact people like Rickard actively want a complete resetting of agriculture which will be facilitated initially by farm business failures on a grand scale. That's even before you consider the latest fad for forestation and re-wilding rather than food production.

Meanwhile POTUS Trump tells his farmers to buy bigger tractors and produce more!
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Staying the obvious, subsidies and support aside, if farmers don’t get paid anything, they won’t grow food.

But the Bloke’s still a tosser! And here in his terms it why:
Without some form of support, Rents will collapse. Landlords won’t be able to get anybody to farm their land, reducing its value.
The price of Farmland for Owner occupiers will also collapse too.
All of a sudden all Agricultural debt becomes completely understandable and the Banks call all their loans in.
This causes even more of land sales, reducing its value even more and the Banks collapse!

This then bleeds into all House mortgages and the value of Bricks and Mortar collapses too.

WTF (Who) does this twunt think he is and where did he learn his maths?

What a complete and utter idiot!

While I understand and empathise with the sentiment I fear you are getting a little reactionary.

Even if all land had no value and no agricultural mortgages could be serviced by the mortgagee farmer it would represent a small / tiny proportion of total secured lending. And if all the farmers in the land produced no commodities then for a couple of years it would be imported.

And anyway the banks would have the freehold by then and might even rent it out for a peppercorn rent to new start ups who might just produce, well, wheat, barley etc.

To be frank if I were a Treasury economist disillusioned with the current structure of UK ag holdings and farmers what you have suggested would be an ideal way to nationalize land with no public expense and repopulate with a totally new band of farmers who would not be harking back to the past.

Are you sure you are not a Treasury economist in your spare time? Just come on here to groom!??

Statins I gather are good for blood pressure!? Or a couple of glasses Claret.
 

Scribus

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Location
Central Atlantic
The quote at the bottom of the article says it all...
"But last night a friend said: 'Tim is highly intelligent. Perhaps too intelligent for his own good sometimes'."

I think most of us know and recognise to Uber-intelligence is only a thin line away from lunacy. In the case of this man, it seems quite obvious that he has crossed the line by a long way. It is to be hoped that the more sensible people in Government also recognise this and don't give him the time of day much less try and humour him.

Wasn't Gummer have said to have two brains at some point? Fat lot of good it did him.

EDIT, Just looked it up, it was actually David Willetts
 
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Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
Yes , weed them out
At least they are your own idiots now (y)

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glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
While I understand and empathise with the sentiment I fear you are getting a little reactionary.

Even if all land had no value and no agricultural mortgages could be serviced by the mortgagee farmer it would represent a small / tiny proportion of total secured lending. And if all the farmers in the land produced no commodities then for a couple of years it would be imported.

And anyway the banks would have the freehold by then and might even rent it out for a peppercorn rent to new start ups who might just produce, well, wheat, barley etc.

To be frank if I were a Treasury economist disillusioned with the current structure of UK ag holdings and farmers what you have suggested would be an ideal way to nationalize land with no public expense and repopulate with a totally new band of farmers who would not be harking back to the past.

Are you sure you are not a Treasury economist in your spare time? Just come on here to groom!??

Statins I gather are good for blood pressure!? Or a couple of glasses Claret.
Bolox
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Why do you seem to assume that anyone is under any obligation to pay farmers anything? Or indeed that the population at large want to stop the countryside becoming a wilderness?
I am off to tesco, I am going to fill up my trolley with what I need and when the person behind the checkout says that is £69.72 I will ask why they feel that I am under any obligation to pay supermarkets anything.
Wish me luck (y)
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
Calm down dears, the man is a radical thinker paid to thought provoke. One of his ideas was to stop funding northern areas and ask people to migrate south. If asked his opinion on the need for government ministers he would probably say the country could be run by a super computer. Commonsense doesnt enter his thought process because he isnt paid to make commonsense decisions.
 

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