Mail on Sunday front page tommorrow :-(

[JP1]

What do you mean by 'constraints on holding size in exchange for higher output prices and restrictions on imports'

Discussion point really. Farmers in UK and US driven by commodity returns having to go for expanding holding size to stand still. Maybe a taper on sub , planning restrictions etc

 

[roscoe erf]

relax have a cuppa

 

[Henarar]

relax have a cuppa

I am thanks

 

[fgc325j]

Jaysus, will you lot calm down for a second. Are these remarks even true and in what context were they made? The man could well be technically correct but be in total disagreememt with the remainder of government.

You also seem to fear the USA like some kind of boogieman. Do you know their production costs? Do you think the UK consumer is even going to buy it because they have had access to imported product for years, I don't see retailers clamouring to flog Ugandan cheese?

The lot of you need to ignore this kind of bilge. Your market has had exposure to imported product for years. This is nothing new and you can blame the EU for it.

USA farm production costs ??- i viewed a video on you tube "Our Wyoming Life" - where the rancher presented a 10 min
video explaining his costing/income for his set-up. i found it interesting. Another you tube offering was from "Cole the Cornstar",
a young Iowa arable farmer, and again he posted a video explaining his family farm economics.

 

[GeorgeK]

The UK economy is approx £3 trillion GDP I think

Therefore 1% is £30 billion. Nit an insignificant number.

1% is a big headline in our economies reporting. If gdp was to dip that much it would be all over the press and the FTSE wound be reacting in nit a good way.

Taking that 1% out of the UK economy would more than half forecasted economic growth for 2020 I believe

In the eyes of an economist all the jobless farmers get retrained and move to higher productivity jobs, so the effect is to improve the economy. That's the theory anyway - move towards a hi-tech, service based economy

 

[delilah]

He’d do well to remember that if it wasn’t for us, he’d be speaking German!

You seen his surname ?

 

[Henarar]

Bloke’s a complete tosser!
What proportion of our weekly shop at the supermarket is food?

So the UK stops farming. What does that do to our balance of payments?

On top of which, the countryside would look a bit of a mess.
Who is going to pay to stop it all becoming a wilderness?
We all become park keepers or foresters.
Is Govt. going to pay for that?
How much will that cost it?
How long before people start complaining about the cost?

We might as well keep farming it and do something useful like producing food!

He’d do well to remember that if it wasn’t for us, he’d be speaking with a German accent!

That's what I was getting at, I suspect the cost of not having an AG sector would be far more than having one and supporting it properly
we should all shut the gates export our machinery and go off and retrain to do whatever it is they do in Singapore after a couple years just the cost of hedge cutting so folk could use the roads and footpaths would be colossal with some council worker doing it let alone anything else

 

[Henarar]

bit of snow on the roads and nobody would go anywhere

 

[Henarar]

they want to be careful what they wish for they may just get it

 

[Hindsight]

Discussion point really. Farmers in UK and US driven by commodity returns having to go for expanding holding size to stand still. Maybe a taper on sub , planning restrictions etc

So you propose pickling in aspic! I can see the attraction. Doubt it will happen. But you an dream!!

 

[JP1]

So you propose pickling in aspic! I can see the attraction. Doubt it will happen. But you an dream!!

I can see the concern there

If we're a tiny island we are never going to take on commodity producers like USA, Russia, SouthAmerica etc

Everything around here seems to be being re-incarnated as artisan .......

 

[betweenthelines]

UK ag total output 2017/18 £26.5bil
Tesco turnover for same period £51bil

"Output" and "turnover" are not the same thing.

Google says 400,000 employed in UK farming, 900,000 in the "food industry" which is UK's biggest manufacturing sector

Govt wants anything but "Top Civil Servant sues Govt over bullying" as headlines. That's why they have "released the Boris to be a dad again" news!

Also, a huge part of the UK economy is secured on land values, anything that affects that could cause a financial meltdown.

 

[JP1]

"Output" and "turnover" are not the same thing.

Google says 400,000 employed in UK farming, 900,000 in the "food industry" which is UK's biggest manufacturing sector

Govt wants anything but "Top Civil Servant sues Govt over bullying" as headlines. That's why they have "released the Boris to be a dad" news!

Hardly news that BoJo is a Dad

 

[Hindsight]

"Output" and "turnover" are not the same thing.

Google says 400,000 employed in UK farming, 900,000 in the "food industry" which is UK's biggest manufacturing sector

Govt wants anything but "Top Civil Servant sues Govt over bullying" as headlines. That's why they have "released the Boris to be a dad" news!

Thing is with Boris that headline could possibly be released quite frequently!! I shall take my coat now and leave!

 

[Henarar]

"Output" and "turnover" are not the same thing.

Google says 400,000 employed in UK farming, 900,000 in the "food industry" which is UK's biggest manufacturing sector

Govt wants anything but "Top Civil Servant sues Govt over bullying" as headlines. That's why they have "released the Boris to be a dad" news!

some seem to think that if they kill ag it will just be farmers that go
twits, farmers wont even be the first to go

 

[Exfarmer]

On TV this morning his biographer said he may have 12 in total!
I think if he came from Newcastle they would call him Feckless

 

[Hindsight]

I can see the concern there

If we're a tiny island we are never going to take on commodity producers like USA, Russia, SouthAmerica etc

Everything around here seems to be being re-incarnated as artisan .......

But some individual producers who post on here from what I read are indeed in their sector competing satisfactorily with world market prices. But some are not. From reading the various Defra documents over past two years it seems the economists view that is primarily due to inefficiencies in the pricing structure for access to land and over capitilisation.

My take on the Agriculture Bill is government (the Conservative and Brexit Party) for ideological reasons wishes to remove the payment for occupying land (owning land in effect as tenants pass the BPS to their landlord) Beyond that the government indicates farmers who are able to compete with world commodity producers can carry on and may well receive some support with technology.

But I am only a casual observer. Regards.

 

[Muck Spreader]

None of this is new it's been part of the Cummings master-plan for many years. It's about time UK agriculture woke up to the fact that the current government is neither Conservative or farmer friendly. Agriculture will be sacrificed bit by bit just like the NHS and UK education out of economic necessity. In France the Farming Unions often form temporary alliances with other like minded groups/unions depending on the grievance. It maybe time UK farmers looked to do the same.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

I'll get yelled at for this but whenever anything like this is discussed the whole of UK Ag seems to be thrown together as one and every farmer is working night and day to feed the British public, who all need their arses kicked because they don't appreciate it. Not really the case though is it?
Plenty of farmers getting paid for environmental schemes or growing crops for AD plants, or even making thousands of bales of hay for the horsey market. What about all the contract farmers out there pumping out cheap feed grain to load straight on a boat, while milling wheat is imported. Cant see any of that helping the British public much or those that farm that way giving any thought to what is needed for the domestic market. Easier to just blame the public for everything even though they have nothing to do with what people farm. They just buy what's put in front of them on the shop shelves.

I'm off to hide.

this is about right,

 

[curlietailz]

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they want to be careful what they wish for they may just get it

thats my take..... if they want us to stop producing food and grow buttercups then let’s all do it. Fudge em