Bazadaise

[chipsngravy]

Like the new site,

Looking at maybe getting bazadaise bull to serve heifers this summer, mix of home bred HE, AA and limxfr heifers. Will be selling at 10 months, how are they compared to limousin or blondes for strong weanling trade.

Alot of info was lost about them on the old BFF. Anyone running them on heifers, do they calve ok.

 

[Walterp]

There is a breed society which sends out regular info (Mrs Rachel Loadman, I think, is the sec) and I'd guess it'd be enjoyable to have a look at a few herds. I'd like to try one, but perhaps I'd be inclined to try on those cattle that would not cross well to a Limousin viz. the Angus and the Hereford. May be a nice cross, without the calving worries of a Charolais or, maybe, a Blonde.

Then again, maybe a (carefully selected) Blonde bull WOULD be the answer?

 

[Old Tip]

I am sure Coocher will be on soon to give you the low down, also seem to remember one of the welsh BFF lads using one on AA heifers and had some smart calves.

OT

 

[JP1]

Choochter is on here and will be very helpful too . I'll wait until then but they have a good website . Tempted myself when I have a few more non pedigree cows

 

[JP1]

PM sent (or "conversation")

 

[matthew]

This a home bred lad we sold as a 5 year old.
Some may have seen this pic on the old mothership.

Bazadaise website is: http://www.bazadaise.org.uk/

We find a baz x angusx is good. Weigh for England and easily finished. Calving OK.

This one is Rick's replacement at 2 years old..

 

[choochter]

Currently, on the Baz website click on 'Pic of the Month' and 'Here's My Herd' (right hand panels) to see examples of cross cattle which are Bazadaise sired. Scroll down to the bottom and click on the oval photo and see how Baz calves are born without much muscling & how it develops over the first few months.

 

[chipsngravy]

Very nice bulls matthew How is thier temperament quiet or flighty. What is there gestation ? Are they ok on heifers, seems they have a low birth weight.

Do they need alot of creep or will they do ok on milk and grass. I dont creep till housing so would be 6/7months old then.

 

[choochter]

Mine are NOT flighty. Yes, I've only got 20 cows but they are all hands on (certainly by the time they are 15 months) which means that I can pour-on wormer, spot-on, feel udders, check feet, trim tails just by going up to them & doing it. I consider mine well-handled & sensible, just as well, as its just me that does the cows. Average gestation length for my herd in 2012 was 287 days (mixed AI and natural service). Like any breed you would have to choose a bull with heifers in mind. Mine do well on just grass although they'll get some barley over the summer before selling store late summer at 14-16 mnths, 480-550kg.

 

[Juggler]

Cracking bulls there matthew, that senior bull is a real machine, I've always liked the Baz and might just experiment on one or two of my Anguses...see what happens.
Appart from them not being everywhere..whats the main differences between the Baz and Lim? I've always wondered why they haven't caught on... What sort of money do breeding females and young bulls make typically?

 

[matthew]

Cracking bulls there matthew, that senior bull is a real machine, I've always liked the Baz and might just experiment on one or two of my Anguses...see what happens.
Appart from them not being everywhere..whats the main differences between the Baz and Lim? I've always wondered why they haven't caught on... What sort of money do breeding females and young bulls make typically?

We'd already bought into pedigree Angus, when our friend in Leics. had a reduction sale. I'd seen his bazadaise cattle at the 2006 dairy event so in 2007, we bought a foundation cow with a bull calf at foot. He is a real gentleman and is the same at his new home on Exmoor. We've used him on heifers and on the main herd of angus x sucklers. The only calving problems we had were on the x bred Edonil (AI) heifers. Some of those calves were big.The pure breds were fine and the foundation cow is still going strong.
Chooter has more pure breds than we do, but agree calves are generally small at birth, wedge shaped and the muscle appears within weeks. Baz v. Lim? Temperament. The baz calves/animals are pretty good to handle.
We creep feed early, while they're suckling and supplement with a simple blend at weaning for the first winter.
Sell stores when we can (TB) and finish if we can't.
Our friend in Leics finishes all his cross breds and pures on maize and silage and away at 16 - 20 months.

 

[Juggler]

Thanks Matthew, I'll definately look into the breed more

 

[chipsngravy]

O well, maybe a baz next year.......

Bought an Angus

 

[choochter]

Pic, please?

 

[chipsngravy]

Pic, please?

Not collecting till end of march as no room at the Inn here!!! I hope it dries up soon.

 

[Alistair McLaren]

O well, maybe a baz next year.......

Bought an Angus

Whats the new boy called chipsngravy?

 

[Juggler]

Well done, Did he come from Shropshire?

 

[Juggler]

Evening Alistair, I hear Angus bulls are off to a good start this year, you selling at home yet?

 

[Alistair McLaren]

Hi Juggler, They seem to be. Stirling was disappointing on the quality side and that showed with only 60% of bulls forward for sale selling but average was up so the better ones sold well. We've sold 4 so far off the farm. 1 Dec '11 born and 3 Jan '12 born. Hopefully it continues, only an other 25/6 to go. Are you after one?

 

[Juggler]

Hi Juggler, They seem to be. Stirling was disappointing on the quality side and that showed with only 60% of bulls forward for sale selling but average was up so the better ones sold well. We've sold 4 so far off the farm. 1 Dec '11 born and 3 Jan '12 born. Hopefully it continues, only an other 25/6 to go. Are you after one?

I'm sure they'll all fly off the shelf Alistair, no I'm not after one this year, hopefully sell a few Spring, early Summer time. Hope there's another year or so in my boy before I need something to go on his females!