Brexit and lamb prices.

[icanshootwell]

Just wondering what the remainers think? Not the doom and gloom as so many predicted, I expect it won,t last.

 

[Andrew1983]

Is anyone following whites haulage on facebook? Sounds like they are having a mare of a job getting fridge wagons of lambs accross. Loads been rejected for a lamb having fallen on the floor, customs staff being particularly akward, paperwork not being correct delaying lorries for hours/days. Not just lamb, lots of other issues too. Hopefully it settles as more customs staff get up to speed. They are saying there isnt a fraction of the normal foreign lorrys on the roads in UK.

Just wondering is the boom in sheep prices as much to do with covid as brexit? There is also the fact that so many sheep were pushed on and killed at the end of 2020, Id guess there are very few normal January lambs about. I dont think the price will rise so much as normal through spring as the usual numbers off long keep lambs will be about and when food service sector reopens who knows where prices will go.
I voted remain in 2016 but accepted the vote and didnt like all the remainer effort to frustrate the process.

 

[pgk]

Is anyone following whites haulage on facebook? Sounds like they are having a mare of a job getting fridge wagons of lambs accross. Loads been rejected for a lamb having fallen on the floor, customs staff being particularly akward, paperwork not being correct delaying lorries for hours/days. Not just lamb, lots of other issues too. Hopefully it settles as more customs staff get up to speed. They are saying there isnt a fraction of the normal foreign lorrys on the roads in UK.

Just wondering is the boom in sheep prices as much to do with covid as brexit? There is also the fact that so many sheep were pushed on and killed at the end of 2020, Id guess there are very few normal January lambs about. I dont think the price will rise so much as normal through spring as the usual numbers off long keep lambs will be about and when food service sector reopens who knows where prices will go.
I voted remain in 2016 but accepted the vote and didnt like all the remainer effort to frustrate the process.

A number of factors at play, pound down against euro, low supplies worldwide, lockdown encouraging increased purchases through retail butchers/farm shops. Brexit gloom was more to do with wto rules tariff on lamb with no deal, a worry shared by both informed brexiteers and remainers producing lamb.

 

[neilo]

Just wondering what the remainers think? Not the doom and gloom as so many predicted, I expect it won,t last.

Are you really that ignorant of the facts as to post such a thing? Leaving with no deal, and having to trade on WTO terms, was the danger to the UK sheep industry. So much so that even Useless publicly recognised we’d be about fooked.

Fortunately, Boris’s climb down means that the ‘no deal’ scenario was averted and we have tariff free trade, as we had before. The financial market’s view of the UK economy is ensuring that sterling stays in the doldrums, helping our export endeavours.

 

[andybk]

AS with any major upheaval its going to take some months to settle down , the rises we are seeing now wont be seen again for a long time , various deals , currency valuations will see to that , My real worry is future funding for the sector being based on this years prices ,this being a year that things will start happening , bearing in mind we have had 40 years of stagnation , I can see the men in grey suits thinking we are all ok with latest rises , lets not forget a lot have dumped their wool .

 

[Tim W]

AS with any major upheaval its going to take some months to settle down , the rises we are seeing now wont be seen again for a long time , various deals , currency valuations will see to that , My real worry is future funding for the sector being based on this years prices ,this being a year that things will start happening , bearing in mind we have had 40 years of stagnation , I can see the men in grey suits thinking we are all ok with latest rises , lets not forget a lot have dumped their wool .

Sheep sector does not get direct support and hasn't done for a while (support has been land based not sheep based) and when done right doesn't need it
Land based subsidy is shifting to ''green'' value led results that will most likely impinge on the ability to farm productively
Hence all sectors will have to stand on their own two feet --this i think will lead to a move from sheep in the hills/moors etc to greater emphasis on lamb production in lowland /arable integrated systems
What's not to like from an industry point of view?
Clean grazing = good growth & less welfare issues (worms are #1 welfare issue in lamb production)
Grazing animals on arable systems = less artificial N use & potentially less herbicide/pesticide use?

 

[andybk]

Sheep sector does not get direct support and hasn't done for a while (support has been land based not sheep based) and when done right doesn't need it
Land based subsidy is shifting to ''green'' value led results that will most likely impinge on the ability to farm productively
Hence all sectors will have to stand on their own two feet --this i think will lead to a move from sheep in the hills/moors etc to greater emphasis on lamb production in lowland /arable integrated systems
What's not to like from an industry point of view?
Clean grazing = good growth & less welfare issues (worms are #1 welfare issue in lamb production)
Grazing animals on arable systems = less artificial N use & potentially less herbicide/pesticide use?

yes i agree , im thinking more countryside productivity grants , and maybe future funding on research and development for the whole sector ,and integration with other farm enterprises (poss signet funding ) rather than individual money

 

[Agrivator]

AS with any major upheaval its going to take some months to settle down , the rises we are seeing now wont be seen again for a long time , various deals , currency valuations will see to that , My real worry is future funding for the sector being based on this years prices ,this being a year that things will start happening , bearing in mind we have had 40 years of stagnation , I can see the men in grey suits thinking we are all ok with latest rises , lets not forget a lot have dumped their wool .

How many sensible sheep farmers have dumped their wool? apart from idiots and a few hobby farmers.

 

[andybk]

How many sensible sheep farmers have dumped their wool? apart from idiots and a few hobby farmers.

hill men with low grade wool ?

 

[Agrivator]

Are you really that ignorant of the facts as to post such a thing? Leaving with no deal, and having to trade on WTO terms, was the danger to the UK sheep industry. So much so that even Useless publicly recognised we’d be about fooked.

Fortunately, Boris’s climb down means that the ‘no deal’ scenario was averted and we have tariff free trade, as we had before. The financial market’s view of the UK economy is ensuring that sterling stays in the doldrums, helping our export endeavours.

But the £ has strengthened against the Euro.

And why can't you bring yourself to give Boris s bit of credit. He had to give way a bit regarding Fishing, but even the Fishing Industry realise that.

 

[2tractors]

Just wondering what the remainers think? Not the doom and gloom as so many predicted, I expect it won,t last.

Nothing to do with Brexit as such, just simple economics of supply and demand. Demand has increased for red meat due to consumers eating much more at home because of covid lockdowns. Supermarkets have grown turnovers by huge amounts as people have fewer but bigger shops as well as increasing on line delivery.

Farmers pushed out lambs before Christmas in case of no deal further reducing supply now.
As we come out of Covid the markets will resume normal patterns so demand levels will determine product prices.

 

[Tim W]

yes i agree , im thinking more countryside productivity grants , and maybe future funding on research and development for the whole sector ,and integration with other farm enterprises (poss signet funding ) rather than individual money

I believe that there are moves to aid with research , some capital works grants & other ideas
Signet is already subsidised

 

[neilo]

But the £ has strengthened against the Euro.

And why can't you bring yourself to give Boris s bit of credit. He had to give way a bit regarding Fishing, but even the Fishing Industry realise that.

Sterling tanked the day the referendum results came out, as the financial world gave it’s opinion. It has only fluctuated since, which has been helping our exports for several years.

I will give Boris credit once we are thriving mightily.

 

[delilah]

How many sensible sheep farmers have dumped their wool? apart from idiots and a few hobby farmers.

Oi. Do you feckin mind. In my experience it is the 'hobby farmers' as you call them who are making the greatest efforts to do something to add value to their wool.
Precisely because they don't get any handouts from the taxpayer to subsidize their sheep, unlike 'proper' farmers.
Harrumph.

 

[gatepost]

I think there are a lot of aspects which are individually easy to assess, strength of sterling, buying habits due to covid, collectively more difficult, I think the main driver IMO is supply and demand, lambs have gone and are short now, and I think partly due to a lower crop due to last yrs wet winter and the previous summers draught putting a lot of stress on ewes. therefore I wouldn't like to suggest a seasonal price once the new crop comes forward, I think we have basically averted a disaster with a deal, and maybe eating habits/home cooking will stick a bit, we can only hope.

 

[Smith31]

But the £ has strengthened against the Euro.

And why can't you bring yourself to give Boris s bit of credit. He had to give way a bit regarding Fishing, but even the Fishing Industry realise that.

Boris supported Brexit which resulted in a lack of confidence in the sheep trade, as no one knew what the future held. Marketing and investment in export markets has been pretty much at a standstill since Brexit was announced.

Thousands of farmers have lost £€ and sold lambs early as we were looking at a no trade deal due to Mr Johnsons incompetence and inability to sort the mess out months ago.

There is nothing to give him credit for in all honesty, as Roy Keane would say he is only doing his job nothing more. Confidence makes the financial world tick, the sheep job has been short of confidence for years due to Boris and Brexit.

 

[Agrivator]

Boris supported Brexit which resulted in a lack of confidence in the sheep trade, as no one knew what the future held. Marketing and investment in export markets has been pretty much at a standstill since Brexit was announced.

Thousands of farmers have lost £€ and sold lambs early as we were looking at a no trade deal due to Mr Johnsons incompetence and inability to sort the mess out months ago.

There is nothing to give him credit for in all honesty, as Roy Keane would say he is only doing his job nothing more. Confidence makes the financial world tick, the sheep job has been short of confidence for years due to Boris and Brexit.

So the majority who voted for Brexit should have been ignored!!!!!!

What exactly did Boris do wrong????? He could of course have caved in to Kenneth Clark and Heseltine.....................

 

[andybk]

There is nothing to give him credit for in all honesty, as Roy Keane would say he is only doing his job nothing more. Confidence makes the financial world tick, the sheep job has been short of confidence for years due to Boris and Brexit.

And the CAP that paid land owners and supermarket business to scalp all sectors of red meat production , cos we were getting a sub to produce cheap food werent we ?(that was their justification) While Larry Goodman rode around europe buying all sorts of sh1t , passing it off as prime uk or irish meat, was he ever brought to justice ?
The French had a world class recording livestock system that was sponsored by their government for decades , and was taken up by 80-90% of their breeders , the results we see every day in the fat markets , But EU scrapped it because of funding and sub rules , many societies now do it privately but its a shadow of what went before in all but the most popular breeds
Thats the Backroom boys in the EU for you ,

 

[CopperBeech]

Boris supported Brexit which resulted in a lack of confidence in the sheep trade, as no one knew what the future held. Marketing and investment in export markets has been pretty much at a standstill since Brexit was announced.

Thousands of farmers have lost £€ and sold lambs early as we were looking at a no trade deal due to Mr Johnsons incompetence and inability to sort the mess out months ago.

There is nothing to give him credit for in all honesty, as Roy Keane would say he is only doing his job nothing more. Confidence makes the financial world tick, the sheep job has been short of confidence for years due to Boris and Brexit.

No one made them sell did they? It’s called business. If you knew exactly what something was worth when it wouldn’t work. Needs to be winners and losers. Luckily I bought a sh!t ton of stores and also had a load of lambs ready to go just before the exit and held them, now worth almost a £ a kilo more.

 

[Nithsdale]

Are you really that ignorant of the facts as to post such a thing? Leaving with no deal, and having to trade on WTO terms, was the danger to the UK sheep industry. So much so that even Useless publicly recognised we’d be about fooked.

Fortunately, Boris’s climb down means that the ‘no deal’ scenario was averted and we have tariff free trade, as we had before. The financial market’s view of the UK economy is ensuring that sterling stays in the doldrums, helping our export endeavours.

You just have to look back to September and October 2019 when the sheep industry was in freefall as govt. postured to take us out on October 31st with No Deal...

as soon as they pushed back and the industry knew we were still in the EU and still had a market, the trade rocketed