Firearms Licensing

Sadly, things have moved on and police forces are taking things even further than the guidance suggests. A number of police forces have moved to a position whereby you need to get a GP letter submitted to them with your application. Failure to do so means they will not even start your renewal/application process (below from Derbyshire Police website)

Health and medical information:
  • details of any relevant conditions you have which need to be disclosed (you’ll find a list of those in the guidance notes)
  • your GP or practice address, postcode and phone number
  • previous GP or practice information if you haven’t been registered with your current GP or practice for ten years or more
  • if, during the last ten years, there have been times when you haven’t been registered with a GP or practice in the UK, we’ll need to know about this and will ask why this was and if there is any information you can give us about this, for example if you’re in the armed services and were posted abroad
  • your completed GP letter - you'll need to download this and have your GP fill it in. Then send it to us with your application.


Standard letter to send to your GP accessed from the link above (please note the comment in bold). Strangely, this letter requests sending the GP response directly to the Police, at odds with their statement above that you should include it with your application.

Your GP’s Name:
Address:


Postcode :

Dear Doctor

I wish to apply for a Firearms and/or Shotgun Certificate from Derbyshire Police. In order to do so, I am required to supply a factual medical report to Derbyshire Police which I am willing to pay for. Please forward an invoice to my home address.

The report will need to include whether or not I have EVER been diagnosed with or been treated for the following conditions/illnesses:

• Acute Stress Reaction or an acute reaction to the stress caused by a trauma.
• Suicidal thoughts or self-harm.
• Depression or anxiety.
• Dementia.
• Mania, bipolar disorder or a psychotic illness, or a personality disorder.
• A neurological condition: for example, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s or Huntington’s diseases, or epilepsy.
• Alcohol or drug abuse.
• Any other mental or physical condition which you think may be relevant.

If there is a history of the above relevant medical conditions, could the report please include information with the following items; reasoning for medical condition, duration of medical condition, details of medication prescribed and how long for and any further presentations of the condition.

Furthermore, can I please request that only information relating to the relevant medical conditions impacting upon my suitability to possess a Firearm, Shotgun or Explosives are commented upon. The provision of a simple print out of my medical history will not be acceptable for this purpose.

The report should ideally to be forwarded to Derbyshire Police direct from the GP Practice by a secured NHS email to [email protected] or by sending via post addressed to the Firearms Licensing Dept, Derbyshire Police HQ, Butterley Hall, Ripley, Derbyshire. DE5 3RS

Please be aware that unless the GP practice has a secure email address, the delivery to Derbyshire Police is an insecure connection via the public internet. Derbyshire Police cannot accept responsibility for any loss or inappropriate access to the email response before it reaches our secure network. You should agree with your patient how the details can be sent.

Please note that Derbyshire Police do not seek your professional opinion as to my suitability to hold a Firearms/Shotgun licence, as this decision lies solely with them.

I would be grateful if you could expedite as soon as possible.

Yours sincerely,
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
BASC says: "We have challenged those police forces deviating from Home Office guidance and their position is that their actions are both lawful and reasonable."

I'm not sure it matters what they say, the Chief Constables appear to have a great deal of leeway how they interpret the "Guidance"

Thought we were supposed to be seeing a balanced and cross-force system. Fat bloody chance... :rolleyes:

Police are paranoid about firearms, but some still fail to understand the difference between drug dealers uzi/pistol and the legal firearm user and his shotgun or .223.
 
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Can I give someone who works on the farm access to my gunsafe? We always seem to have a number of dog attacks in the sheep every year and I'm not always the closest one to the incident, it would be useful if he could go in and grab my gun if he could get to the dog attack first. I have a shotgun & Firearms Licence and so does the person I want to give access to, would this be allowed from a legal standpoint?
 

Scholsey

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Can I give someone who works on the farm access to my gunsafe? We always seem to have a number of dog attacks in the sheep every year and I'm not always the closest one to the incident, it would be useful if he could go in and grab my gun if he could get to the dog attack first. I have a shotgun & Firearms Licence and so does the person I want to give access to, would this be allowed from a legal standpoint?

only if every firearm/shotgun in that cabinet was registered to him also.
 

Scholsey

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Has to be the specific gun, not just he has a 12 bore & 22 on his certificate and I have a 12 bore and 22 (but different brand) on mine?

same gun, serial number etc, if it was to blat a few pigeons around the buildings probably wouldn’t be a issue but bowling someone’s beloved Alsatian over with a .22LR registered to someone else whilst they are away could land you both in prison for a month or 6 and guns kissed goodbye forever.
 
same gun, serial number etc, if it was to blat a few pigeons around the buildings probably wouldn’t be a issue but bowling someone’s beloved Alsatian over with a .22LR registered to someone else whilst they are away could land you both in prison for a month or 6 and guns kissed goodbye forever.

Thanks that's the clarification on that one, seeing as you know the ins & outs on this if someone used a gun they had sat in their vehicle ,whilst they were doing some work, to bowl over someone's beloved Alsation that would be a bad idea too? as it would be deemed unsafe storage for the time it was in their vehicle whilst they were at work before the shooting of said dog? So could land them in trouble
 

Scholsey

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Thanks that's the clarification on that one, seeing as you know the ins & outs on this if someone used a gun they had sat in their vehicle ,whilst they were doing some work, to bowl over someone's beloved Alsation that would be a bad idea too? as it would be deemed unsafe storage for the time it was in their vehicle whilst they were at work before the shooting of said dog? So could land them in trouble

plenty farmers/gamekeepers have a gun at work with them I think It’s just about being sensible with regards to storage.

I would be investing in a few signs on the side of footpaths warning dog owners if things are that bad, will help your cause when the inevitable happens.
 

Barleymow

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Ipswich
Had a letter to say they had extended my licences for 3 months as they hadn't been processed due to covid-19. Five days later they arrived in the post
 
plenty farmers/gamekeepers have a gun at work with them I think It’s just about being sensible with regards to storage.

I would be investing in a few signs on the side of footpaths warning dog owners if things are that bad, will help your cause when the inevitable happens.

Yeah I try to report it to the police even if the dog isn't caught so there's a chain of evidence leading up to any shots fired. Problem with the footpath signs for prevention is its often dogs from surrounding houses rather than walkers
 

britt

Member
BASE UK Member
Thanks that's the clarification on that one, seeing as you know the ins & outs on this if someone used a gun they had sat in their vehicle ,whilst they were doing some work, to bowl over someone's beloved Alsation that would be a bad idea too? as it would be deemed unsafe storage for the time it was in their vehicle whilst they were at work before the shooting of said dog? So could land them in trouble
If you had loaned them the gun within 24hrs and they had a reason to have it with them, such as you had sent them to shoot pigeons or rabbits that would be OK. But to shoot a dog should be the last resort you should try to stop it from attacking the sheep first.
From your initial question you could have a cabinet with just one gun in it also registered to that person.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Thanks that's the clarification on that one, seeing as you know the ins & outs on this if someone used a gun they had sat in their vehicle ,whilst they were doing some work, to bowl over someone's beloved Alsation that would be a bad idea too? as it would be deemed unsafe storage for the time it was in their vehicle whilst they were at work before the shooting of said dog? So could land them in trouble
Legally speaking if you fail to kill a worrying dog outright with the first shot you could be landed in jail! If you are close enough to drop a dog stone dead with a shotgun loaded with an average game cartridge you are probably close enough to grab it by the collar or smack it with the butt! :facepalm: I don't know how much difference they would make but I keep a pair of 4s in the belt... I found a ewe this morning that has been badly mauled :mad: :mad::mad: Not a roadside field or one with a footpath though it, no, it was the least accessible field on the farm, especially with the brook running high. Where the fk the dog came from or were it went I will probably never know. It better not come back.
 
Legally speaking if you fail to kill a worrying dog outright with the first shot you could be landed in jail! If you are close enough to drop a dog stone dead with a shotgun loaded with an average game cartridge you are probably close enough to grab it by the collar or smack it with the butt! :facepalm: I don't know how much difference they would make but I keep a pair of 4s in the belt... I found a ewe this morning that has been badly mauled :mad: :mad::mad: Not a roadside field or one with a footpath though it, no, it was the least accessible field on the farm, especially with the brook running high. Where the fk the dog came from or were it went I will probably never know. It better not come back.

Yeah we keep a rapid response dog stash of 36g BBs next to the safe
There is an argument that your better off killing it than grabbing it, if you've made some effort to stop it first. Once its done it once it will do it again and the ones where I've caught them and they've made their way back to the owner because I didn't have the gun have never ended justly and gone on to reoffend.
I tend to find its dogs that have escaped from gardens/houses if they aren't near waling routes. But every place is different
 

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