Fixed Penalty Offer - Insecure Load

[Steevo]

Worth writing to Suella Braverman perhaps…?

 

[dave78+]

I like your thinking!

The young PC was ok but a bit green. He asked if the ramps were secured properly or if they could fall out? I explained that they were held in and the lynch pin stopped the handle lifting and coming out. Was just waiting for him to try it for himself and nip his finger……..alas, he was more focused on typing on his tablet thing

Wonker!

 

[PostHarvest]

I bought a net on Ebay. Someone was cutting pieces from condemned construction site safety nets and advertising them as cargo nets. Wasn't expensive and its been useful

 

[Exfarmer]

Worth writing to Suella Braverman perhaps…?

Hamzan Yousef this is Scotland

 

[ollie989898]

You aren't going to win. Pay the money and consider it a lesson learned.

 

[the orra loon]

I bought a net on Ebay. Someone was cutting pieces from condemned construction site safety nets and advertising them as cargo nets. Wasn't expensive and its been useful

I’m using one now. I am trying to learn and not that much hassle either.

 

[the orra loon]

You aren't going to win. Pay the money and consider it a lesson learned.

Points are the annoying thing. That could be the outcome but have a bit of time to consider.

just wondering if they will bother to prosecute if I just ignore……

 

[ollie989898]

Points are the annoying thing. That could be the outcome but have a bit of time to consider.

just wondering if they will bother to prosecute if I just ignore……

You won't win. They are like gravity. I was surprised they bothered to even stop you but they have done so and gone through the rigmarole of filling in the relevant paperwork. If you don't respond the fine will only increase.

 

[Steevo]

You aren't going to win. Pay the money and consider it a lesson learned.

Sadly I think this is the truth.


I could half understand them offering you the chance to go on a “load awareness course” if such a thing existed. Personally I think it would be a great idea if such courses were offered FOC by the government and people attended them every 5 years or so. Would do far more for safety than dishing out fixed penalty notices.

 

[ollie989898]

Sadly I think this is the truth.


I could half understand them offering you the chance to go on a “load awareness course” if such a thing existed. Personally I think it would be a great idea if such courses were offered FOC by the government and people attended them every 5 years or so. Would do far more for safety than dishing out fixed penalty notices.

I similarly do not agree with points on people's licenses or speed cameras. I would sooner the police stopped people and said: 'errr you were driving a bit hazardously there, take more care please' instead of just busting people with fines and points but I don't make the rules.

 

[dave78+]

Points are the annoying thing. That could be the outcome but have a bit of time to consider.

just wondering if they will bother to prosecute if I just ignore……

Points are just a threat. The cost of a prosecution has to be subjected to some Regulations or a Test by the Prosecutor. I cant see that they will bother. Tell them you get DLA for serious mental health disorders. They will then send you £100.

 

[the orra loon]

Cheers for all the replies so far.

General consensus seems to be that plod are being over zealous in this case. I need to try find info on load level and trailer sides. Wonder if there is a difference between goods operators and private individuals as to the rules?

I find it interesting that they say “alleged contravention” instead of just simply contravention. Also “or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there“ why wouldn’t they write “would” cause danger or injury…….

sounds like it’s open to be challenged

 

[Wesley]

Can you ask them for the evidence of the “alleged contravention” to jog your memory on what they’re referring to? See if they have actually got anything.

 

[Steevo]

Cheers for all the replies so far.

General consensus seems to be that plod are being over zealous in this case. I need to try find info on load level and trailer sides. Wonder if there is a difference between goods operators and private individuals as to the rules?

I find it interesting that they say “alleged contravention” instead of just simply contravention. Also “or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there“ why wouldn’t they write “would” cause danger or injury…….

sounds like it’s open to be challenged

Alleged is because it hasn’t been proven….yet. They would rather you admitted it than they had to take you to court and find you guilty. That costs them time and money. It would also cost you plenty too.

The system is skewed in their favour so the individual cannot seek justice without spending a fortune. The threat of that cost makes people cave in and just pay up.

 

[the orra loon]

Can you ask them for the evidence of the “alleged contravention” to jog your memory on what they’re referring to? See if they have actually got anything.

He took a puckle photos so I’m sure they will have them.

I did wonder if I should ask to see the report

 

[Yale]

Cheers for all the replies so far.

General consensus seems to be that plod are being over zealous in this case. I need to try find info on load level and trailer sides. Wonder if there is a difference between goods operators and private individuals as to the rules?

I find it interesting that they say “alleged contravention” instead of just simply contravention. Also “or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there“ why wouldn’t they write “would” cause danger or injury…….

sounds like it’s open to be challenged

Problem is there are rules which require a load to be secured sideways and from tipping out. If your trailer overturned then the load would not be secure. I think this is the issue you have.

 

[the orra loon]

Alleged is because it hasn’t been proven….yet. They would rather you admitted it than they had to take you to court and find you guilty. That costs them time and money. It would also cost you plenty too.

The system is skewed in their favour so the individual cannot seek justice without spending a fortune. The threat of that cost makes people cave in and just pay up.

That is the probably the case

 

[dave78+]

Can you ask them for the evidence of the “alleged contravention” to jog your memory on what they’re referring to? See if they have actually got anything.

Yeah! They must have reliable evidence. Their witness must swear on Oath that you actually committed an offense.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

He took a puckle photos so I’m sure they will have them.

I did wonder if I should ask to see the report

If you want yhe cheapest option, just pay up and take the points, oh and inform your insurance company about the points,

Or expensive route, fight it in court, pay a bigger fine, and possibly more points

 

[the orra loon]

Problem is there are rules which require a load to be secured sideways and from tipping out. If your trailer overturned then the load would not be secure. I think this is the issue you have.

I think it is just under normal circumstances and overturning wouldn’t be normal. The tarp and 2 ratchets wouldn't have kept any logs in if it couped over.