Kramer vs JCB

[killie_cowboy]

The depreciation on your original 320 is very reasonably, guessing you bought at 1000 hours, so those 3000 hours have cost £5 per clock hour. Unfortunately the price of the new one is a different matter, what will it be worth with 4000 hours on at ten years old?

Well yes, but the only thing that matters is cost of replacement, would be a lower price we would be offered for the old one if the new price was lower. Think it was about 500 it came at if memory serves. At the end of the day, we will be keeping the old one for a bit longer. The Sanderson TX525 before it left us at 8k hours, partially because it gave my dad the hairy experience of the brakes completely failing going down a steep, sweeping and also blind single track road with a great dropoff on the left hand side.

 

[icanshootwell]

The depreciation on your original 320 is very reasonably, guessing you bought at 1000 hours, so those 3000 hours have cost £5 per clock hour. Unfortunately the price of the new one is a different matter, what will it be worth with 4000 hours on at ten years old?

The problem with the price increase like JCB, who the f**k is going to pay £60 k for a tele-handler with 8-10k hours on the clock, I can only see depreciation getting higher as new gets dearer, cost of ownership will double. I can see dealers sticking longer warranties on 2nd hand stuff to shift them.

 

[hally]

Strikes me that £70k would pay for a lot of of repairs and hire costs if it let you down. How well do you get on with your neighbours if you need to borrow one in a hurry.

 

[vantage]

The problem with the price increase like JCB, who the f**k is going to pay £60 k for a tele-handler with 8-10k hours on the clock, I can only see depreciation getting higher as new gets dearer, cost of ownership will double. I can see dealers sticking longer warranties on 2nd hand stuff to shift them.

Yes, cost of ownership is bound to increase. Whether a business can shoulder that is another issue.

 

[vantage]

Strikes me that £70k would pay for a lot of of repairs and hire costs if it let you down. How well do you get on with your neighbours if you need to borrow one in a hurry.

Probably would, but can’t see why a 4000 hour machine would need a lot.
Maybe a smaller machine doing a few more hours is a solution?

 

[Chips]

If Kramer's part supply is similar to their sister company I would run a mile !
I have a Weideman which is a superb machine to drive, however on numerous occasions I have had to wait well over a month for urgently needed parts !

 

[lloyd]

If Kramer's part supply is similar to their sister company I would run a mile !
I have a Weideman which is a superb machine to drive, however on numerous occasions I have had to wait well over a month for urgently needed parts !

Haven't heard any problems with Kramer part supply.

 

[icanshootwell]

Probably would, but can’t see why a 4000 hour machine would need a lot.
Maybe a smaller machine doing a few more hours is a solution?

At the moment you will find plenty of 4 to 5 k hour machines around the £25 to £30 k bracket if you go 6 to 8 years old, that must be where the safe money is. I would never have a spare £100k to buy new on a Tele h, I have cows but the wrong sort.

 

[vantage]

If Kramer's part supply is similar to their sister company I would run a mile !
I have a Weideman which is a superb machine to drive, however on numerous occasions I have had to wait well over a month for urgently needed parts !

Yes , Weidemann parts are woefully slow and hideously expensive. Luckily not too many needed as they are reliable.

At the moment you will find plenty of 4 to 5 k hour machines around the £25 to £30 k bracket if you go 6 to 8 years old, that must be where the safe money is. I would never have a spare £100k to buy new on a Tele h, I have cows but the wrong sort.

I’ve got the right sort of cows, but couldn’t justify spending £100k on a new machine with a 7-800 hour workload, 3000 hour Weidemann fitted the bill.

 

[killie_cowboy]

Strikes me that £70k would pay for a lot of of repairs and hire costs if it let you down. How well do you get on with your neighbours if you need to borrow one in a hurry.

Everybody works with loader tractor around here generally, well one neighbour next to us has a merlo but shall we say he isn't the most accomodating to really anybody. We have a new Holland NH95 digger that we can make do in a pinch though.

 

[ollie798]

you Only took out 25 jcb’s because you wanted to get machines out and were considerably keeper than jcb at the time , I think a fair few of those kramers have now gone back against jcb’s.

Thank you for your comments. As you say we wanted to get machines out - which is what dealerships tend to do when they have a franchise. We‘re running at 30% market share now out of a total area of 300 new machines.

Do you have a name? It would be good to find out what you know!

 

[Fraserb]

If Kramer's part supply is similar to their sister company I would run a mile !
I have a Weideman which is a superb machine to drive, however on numerous occasions I have had to wait well over a month for urgently needed parts !

We've not needed much for our kramer but the couple of bits we have needed were all next day delivery.

 

[Chips]

We've not needed much for our kramer but the couple of bits we have needed were all next day delivery.

Maybe Kramer hold more stock in the UK than Weidemann as if it's in the UK your fine but if it has to come from Germany you're goosed!