No Deal Brexit

[Woolless]

Another vote is a waste of time because if its another vote to leave parliament still wont accept it and carry out the wishes of the majority.

And tonight Tusk has stated that the UK should just revoke article 50 and ignore the 2016 Ref result, tells you all you need to know about the EU.

People on both sides are totally fed up with parliament/ MP's and if there is another vote then regardless of the result of that you will see a hellish backlash by people and it will divide the UK for generations and another vote will certainly not sort out the EU issue regardless of which side wins.

Pathetic what MPs are doing on the brexit issue.

Surely if the public voted 'leave' again in ref2, then that would be that and parliament would have to push it through?

The point regarding the push for ref2 is that it's only been in the last 2.5 years that the consequences of Brexit have become clear, as well as the lies told by Leave campaigners. I would agree regarding the divison it could cause (it was the same with Scottish Indyref and the first Brexit vote). But if there is now no majority of the populace in favour of it, and the negative potential consequences are now clear and will be suffered by the young who voted against it, where is the current mandate to press on with this clusterfeck?

 

[ploughman1963]

Surely if the public voted 'leave' again in ref2, then that would be that and parliament would have to push it through?

The point regarding the push for ref2 is that it's only been in the last 2.5 years that the consequences of Brexit have become clear, as well as the lies told by Leave campaigners. I would agree regarding the divison it could cause (it was the same with Scottish Indyref and the first Brexit vote). But if there is now no majority of the populace in favour of it, and the negative potential consequences are now clear and will be suffered by the young who voted against it, where is the current mandate to press on with this clusterfeck?

I thought it was fairly well accepted that both leave and remain campaigns were liberal with the truth? Remember all the dire warnings of doom and financial collapse for the day after the vote by project fear??

 

[Woolless]

I thought it was fairly well accepted that both leave and remain campaigns were liberal with the truth? Remember all the dire warnings of doom and financial collapse for the day after the vote by project fear??

I wouldn't contend for a minute that the Remain side were squeaky clean. But let's start with 'The easiest deal in history' and the 350m battle bus, not to mention funding irregularities on the Leave side. Considered analysis has GDP well below where it would have been if we leave and the harder Brexit is, the worse that will be. And in the intervening period, billions of pounds of investment have been put on hold and jobs slowly ebbed away overseas.

 

[roscoe erf]

Surely if the public voted 'leave' again in ref2, then that would be that and parliament would have to push it through?

The point regarding the push for ref2 is that it's only been in the last 2.5 years that the consequences of Brexit have become clear, as well as the lies told by Leave campaigners.

What a crock of sh!t

 

[yellowbelly]

All the present fudge up proves is that the 'Mother of all Parliaments' is not fit for purpose. We had a democratic vote that they all said they would honour and now two and a half years down the line they're all still squabbling like a bunch of kids.

All through our history, cometh the hour has cometh the man - I'm struggling to see where that man (or woman) is going to come from this time

 

[Werzle]

The Uk will be no better than all the corrupt foreign countries that we see fighting bloody civil wars if it fails to deliver the leave vote that was won by a democratic process. The best us leave voters can hope now for is a no deal brexit because everything else is a fudge.

 

[Woolless]

What a crock of sh!t

Care to explain that post? I'm sure you're capable of something a bit more lucid.

 

[Woolless]

All the present fudge up proves is that the 'Mother of all Parliaments' is not fit for purpose. We had a democratic vote that they all said they would honour and now two and a half years down the line they're all still squabbling like a bunch of kids.

All through our history, cometh the hour has cometh the man - I'm struggling to see where that man (or woman) is going to come from this time

I agree. It shows us in a very poor light.

 

[neilo]

Another vote is a waste of time because if its another vote to leave parliament still wont accept it and carry out the wishes of the majority.

And tonight Tusk has stated that the UK should just revoke article 50 and ignore the 2016 Ref result, tells you all you need to know about the EU.

People on both sides are totally fed up with parliament/ MP's and if there is another vote then regardless of the result of that you will see a hellish backlash by people and it will divide the UK for generations and another vote will certainly not sort out the EU issue regardless of which side wins.

Pathetic what MPs are doing on the brexit issue.

I'm not a supporter of going 'back to the people', but one would have to hope that any second referendum gave a decisive result, one way or the other, rather than the almost equal split last time. A large majority would put an end to all the fudging and make it easier to dismiss the wishes of the minority.

It would want to be timed so that it didn't clash with Glastonbury, so all the snowflakes could make it, and before a winter cold snap, when a lot of the leave voters will apparently be falling over.

 

[Woolless]

I'm not a supporter of going 'back to the people', but one would have to hope that any second referendum gave a decisive result, one way or the other, rather than the almost equal split last time. A large majority would put an end to all the fudging and make it easier to dismiss the wishes of the minority.

It would want to be timed so that it didn't clash with Glastonbury, so all the snowflakes could make it, and before a winter cold snap, when a lot of the leave voters will apparently be falling over.

If we got a decisive vote one way or the other then that should be the matter resolved. The problem would be if we got 52/48 in favour of Remain next time.

Speaking of Leave voters, my 72 year old Dad said he wasn't really bothered what happened now, as long as they kept paying his pension. Would have liked to take issue but I'm needing a hand from him at the weekend

 

[ploughman1963]

I wouldn't contend for a minute that the Remain side were squeaky clean. But let's start with 'The easiest deal in history' and the 350m battle bus, not to mention funding irregularities on the Leave side. Considered analysis has GDP well below where it would have been if we leave and the harder Brexit is, the worse that will be. And in the intervening period, billions of pounds of investment have been put on hold and jobs slowly ebbed away overseas.

And if I had the time and could be arsed I could list out the lies that the remain camp spouted and we would have moved forward not one jot.

 

[7610 super q]

Care to explain that post? I'm sure you're capable of something a bit more lucid.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I think he is one of the most honest MPs in the place.Just compare him to the likes of Gove,Johnson,Fox,and Hunt etc.

"When we finally win and we stop this stupid idea,we will work to bring everyone together" said the LIBERAL DEMOCrat, Vince Cable.

Democracy, where you only let people choose to agree with you.

Caroline Lucas said we must have trust the people and have another vote. But there is absolutely no way that no deal should be an option as that would be a mistake.

These are 2 people for which I did have a lot of respect but it has diminished with their ability to be so inconsistent under pressure.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Fear or real its already having an effect.
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/business/space-age-engineering-firm-invests-536381

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/business/barden-factory-closure-warning-more-2189263

 

[Tim W]

I've just looked at this ---- 1174 posts about something called Brexit & i'm just as confused as i ever was

It's been easier for me to keep going with my commitment to Veganuary than to keep track of Brexit

 

[Bury the Trash]

a third referendum would sort it out then we can get back to 'normal' and just moan about the tremendous waste of time and money

 

[farmerm]

But they want ref 2 to be stay in or May's deal, hardly a choice. If they couldn't honour ref 1, ref 2 is a joke. WTO is the answer, it would soon settle down, and we won't have to prop up the EU when it collapses.

Mays deal is so unpopular it can not get voted through parliament onto a referendum question and the public don’t want it. I can’t see how we could agree to being locked into a leave deal from where we negotiate our future trading terms without being able to walk away, you can’t negotiate from such a position.

Leaving on WTO terms was not campaigned on in the first referendum, it will be the easiest trade deal ever”...we were told. As such ref1 provided no mandate for a WTO Brexit, defaulting to WTO without a second ref would be the most undemocratic event in British history.

The only vote that can win backing in parliament is a vote for ref2 with the question No Deal or No Brexit. Remain MPs would reluctantly back this as the only alternative they have to a default no brexit, leave MPs should also back this, if they confidently believe this is really the best route for the country then it should be an easy sell to the public... another 49% 51% would be a disaster though...

I and many others could still be pursuaded to vote either way. WTO would be more acceptable to me if businesses have time to prepare.

I personally know one Director who’s UK branch of an international business relies heavily on EU trade both for supplies and customers. He has full contingency plans to sack all 70 staff and move manufacturing to Europe because WTO tarrifs will result in a collapse of his EU sales. If sales are saved by the pound crashing his raw materials costs would instead rocket. He might find WTO eventually leads to increased UK sales but it is too big an unknown to wait and see and unlikely to replace all the EU sales they loose. The EU customer base is well established and growing. His staff largely voted out of the EU and are increasingly likely out of a job as a result. Despite the directors pleas his staff voted largely on immigration reasons, with a misplaced presumption that trade without tariffs would still continue. They did not vote for leaving on WTO.

 

[Bury the Trash]

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/devon-seafood-firm-sends-work-2421132

will have to import more veggies and fruit not enough pickers or mesh layers etc ...bugger.

 

[Al R]

I do wonder what on earth the MP’s are going to discuss once Brexit is finally completed either way.... or are the hard timers still there at 3-4am pushing things through like they were a few years ago?

 

[czechmate]

I do wonder what on earth the MP’s are going to discuss once Brexit is finally completed either way....

Their pensions?