Straw for Muck
- Thread starter Eric68
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pgk
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- Location
- south warwickshire
Odd question as if they eat the straw it will miraculously convert to muck
- Location
- North Yorkshire
A deal is a negotiation between 2 parties, go negotiate your side of the deal to what you see as fair
In what way? Which side were you on? Can see issues with it both ways
Feed rep going the extra mile perhaps
Usually the livestock farmer says he has X amount of manure in a normal year and you exchange roughly that amount for a set acreage of straw or amount of bales. Straw for muck works great if both parties arent out to rob each other, i have done them and it works out at roughly 8-10t of fym(some dry, some wet) for 1 acre of straw. I bale and haul the straw and load the muck, they haul the muck and spread it.
- Location
- Ceredigion
I do grass for muck deal
But road haulage costs is putting a strain on it
But road haulage costs is putting a strain on it
pgk
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- Location
- south warwickshire
Same here, we have actually bought a few cows and calves, not sure the economics of that will work out any better but can haul in an awful lot of straw in Hesstons compared with fym
apart from that i find looking at coos to be a great reducer of blood pressure
- Location
- North of Perth
I do a bit of straw for muck.did some a couple of years ago an weighed it all in an all back out.there was 115t of straw an 490t of dung.
M-J-G
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I was told that of everyone feels that they got a poor deal, things must be about right.
I have never weighed a load, just a good guess that both parties have both been happy with based on muck trailer size
M-J-G
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Anyone I know who does a straw for dung simply gets whatever dung their straw produces.
If a farmer supplies supplies 500 bales of straw, once that straw is used the farmer stops supplying dung.
Weighing seems pointless unless you're going to analyze the composition
M-J-G
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If things are getting to the point of splitting hairs like that, arable farmers would only be doing deals with pig or cattle finishers or dairy herds
Will Blackburn
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- Location
- Cheshire
Unless a lot of grain is being fed then don’t bother.
We used to swap with a chap .
He would bale and take 110 4x4 rounds by a belt baler and we'd cart dung back . It was normally around 14.5 loads back using 12 , 14 and 15 ton grain trailers , fairly level filled as was hauled back through a town .
Never really saw point weighting it as some loads would be light strawy stuff and next load could be wet heavy stuff that kills the tractor on hills
He would bale and take 110 4x4 rounds by a belt baler and we'd cart dung back . It was normally around 14.5 loads back using 12 , 14 and 15 ton grain trailers , fairly level filled as was hauled back through a town .
Never really saw point weighting it as some loads would be light strawy stuff and next load could be wet heavy stuff that kills the tractor on hills
Depends if your using more straw than the muck for straw deal can supply
- Location
- North Yorkshire
It’s funny how everyone’s views differ so on the subject. I swapped for years, carting the muck back, at the end they were getting muck back free from twice the area of straw I was getting from them, me buying the rest. They wanted the muck but were starting to get twitchy about weeds from other people’s straw. Tried running two deals, that didn’t go down well. The writing was on the wall I could see, was then offered a deal to sell the muck into a digester that was being built so took the opportunity. It works well, but now I have some b and b pigs in another rethink was needed as they won’t take pig muck. Rang around, did a swap deal which he backed out of half way through the first batch of pigs, ended up selling the pig muck to the last people I thought would be interested. Big professional all arable outfit, sell all the straw in the swath by the ton, not interested in swapping at all but want to use muck and will pay and lead it, seemingly no concerns about weeds.
M-J-G
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Surely that can be easily worked out