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chlorinated chicken?
This NFU 'produced to our standards' malarkey
- Thread starter delilah
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chlorinated chicken?
Do we have any evidence that UK chicken growers are enjoying a healthy ROI at present ? One that is higher than if chlorinated chicken from the US was allowed in ? Would that chlorinated chicken be any cheaper than the 40% of UK consumption that already comes in from abroad ? What measures does the NFU propose to make that 40% that already comes in 'illegal' ?
Is there any substance to any of this, or is it, as I suggested in the OP, no more than virtue signalling ?
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- East Sussex
erm, sorry, I have no answer to any of those questions!
you and me both
. Rather hoping someone with a handle on the NFU strategy on this may participate.- Location
- Shropshire
I have no knowledge of chlorinated chicken.
I can state however, that using current cattle feeding diets, if we were allowed to use hormones such as ralgro in Uk cattle, then we would be finishing steers in under 12 months
the reason I keep mentioning their massive reserves, income and payroll is because they don’t like to ...... they seem to prefer to perpetuate the myth that members should be great full of all the voluntary work the stoneligh staff do so should not be held to account and the reason they don’t do more is because it would cost cash they just don't have .......... neither could be further from the truth and that “family silver” belongs to their members, including the ex member who helped them build up such obscene levels of reserves
What cash reserves do they have?
gosh ! Actually communication that doesn’t involve turning up at a meeting or come with a stamp on it ! ........... this is actual progress !
they will be posting them to TFF Farm Tv next !
I can’t recall the number exactly,I would have to google the accounts but iirc it’s well north of 100million
they have a lot of income, on top of membership fees there is a seriously lucrative London property rental portfolio
@Chris F might recall the number without looking them up, I’ve just got back from a long drive from Norfolk and off to put kids to bed !
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The NFU petition on this is going great guns. Over 300,000 people signed it. 30,000 on one day alone when Jamie Oliver added his support.
I am still trying to get my head around it. No-one has as yet explained which UK rules the NFU are wanting imports to match, and which don't matter.
The below is the final paragraph of the NFU petition. Can someone give some examples of food, that we currently import, that meets that criteria ?
Before the UK begins to negotiate trade deals with countries around the world, I call on the UK Government to put into law rules that prevent food being imported to the UK which is produced in ways that would be illegal here.
I am still trying to get my head around it. No-one has as yet explained which UK rules the NFU are wanting imports to match, and which don't matter.
The below is the final paragraph of the NFU petition. Can someone give some examples of food, that we currently import, that meets that criteria ?
Before the UK begins to negotiate trade deals with countries around the world, I call on the UK Government to put into law rules that prevent food being imported to the UK which is produced in ways that would be illegal here.
Just this week I have paid a four figure sum for electronic ear tags, paid my local carcass disposal company for disposal of my lambing deaths and paid the environmental agency £300 for the privilege of Me spreading used sheep dip on my Own land. These are all costs put onto us that our competitors do not have.........that’s the problem
Sure, that's the problem. But no-one is explaining how this NFU campaign is the solution.
In signing up the general public, and one of the nations favourite sons, the NFU are staking their credibility on this campaign.
Where are the guidelines to say what the campaign is actually calling for ? That example you give. How much of the meat currently imported legally in to the UK will have had to comply with those requirements ? Any of it ?
If the NFU are saying - and their petition suggests that they are saying this - that all rules and regulations in place in the UK need to be matched abroad, then all food imports stop. Not just US hormone beef and chlorinated chicken. All of them.
Is this what the NFU are saying ? Are they telling the 300,000 people who have signed their petition this ?
I'm not being the awkward squad here, I just want to understand what it's all about.
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kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
They're just the rules you have to abide by, every countries different, where do you draw the line on what should be allowed?
None of the things you mentioned have anything to do with the welfare of the stock or quality of the product.
Which is precisely the question I am asking.
Bearing in mind the fact that, once you have drawn a line, who polices it ?
Fair point but how determine quality in a product such as meat is it taste and texture, is it its production methods and levels of husbandry practiced? It certainly is difficult to quantify, is an outside lambing in poor weather acceptable as opposed to housing stock and the welfare issues that applies. Large scale ranch farming and the inevitable losses that are accepted is very different to small family farm with hands on care but what’s best. Who knows.
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
Many practises including growth hormone implants, in both dairy and beef cattle are banned here and in the EU.
Environmental protection is unknown in many countries.
Our much vaunted Red Tractor chain includes any contractor employed by you, both his kit and his qualifications.
Some meat production lines concentrate on chlorine washing at the point of slaughter, rather than food hygiene throughout - which we have.
Red Tractor insists on knowing when and with what I’ve wormed the cat.
All this is supposed to give us an edge on marketing and price. It does not. It adds costs, in some cases, large ones, but little value. And family farms in the UK are increasingly used as window dressing, to ‘assure’ everything on the supermarket shelf, by association.
Many practises including growth hormone implants, in both dairy and beef cattle are banned here and in the EU.
Environmental protection is unknown in many countries.
Our much vaunted Red Tractor chain includes any contractor employed by you, both his kit and his qualifications.
Some meat production lines concentrate on chlorine washing at the point of slaughter, rather than food hygiene throughout - which we have.
Red Tractor insists on knowing when and with what I’ve wormed the cat.
All this is supposed to give us an edge on marketing and price. It does not. It adds costs, in some cases, large ones, but little value. And family farms in the UK are increasingly used as window dressing, to ‘assure’ everything on the supermarket shelf, by association.
Your last paragraph is absolutely “on the money” ???
And - as per my question posed to you and others who I believe have a handle on NFU policy - this NFU campaign will solve the problem how ?
Dear Lord ...... are you quite sure somebody didn’t deliberately allow yourself out of somewhere you were residing for your own “comfort”?
You still have any Devon & Cornwall Longwools or have you sold them all?