Black lives demo.

[stewart]

consideration of others views is always good but are you really suggesting that the minority view should prevail? We have a parliamentary system that has been round for a very long time, is it perfect ? No but we did have a vote a few years ago to change the voting system, it was defeated, we can only vote as the law dictates, IIRC labour won an election in the past with less votes than the tories, I dont recall labour saying the tories should have won nor more importantly did the tories, unlike the modern view here it appears that losers want to change the result so they won.

PS hows the maori issue in NZ have they got their land back yet ?

No I am not suggesting that the minority view should prevail, as previously stated minorities need to be considered in a civilised society otherwise anarchy prevails.
The voting system in the UK allows a minority of voters to gain a majority of seats in the House of Commons, this appears to be acceptable by the very same people who believe majorities should prevail, no matter how slim that majority is, generally using the age old excuse of that is our parliamentary system that has been. around for years.
A vote for change is always going to be difficult, particularly in the UK where the past takes precedence over the future.
What has the Maori Issue got to do with it and what is in your view the Maori Issue? Have they got their land back? Not sure what you mean, the Maoris have substantial land holdings, always have had and have received large sums of money for the wrongs of the past.

 

[br jones]

If you do not give at least some consideration to minorities you end up with mob rule and anarchy (something close to what you have now).
It appears you are quite content with a Government in place that received only 42% of the popular vote and yet holds 60% of the seats in the House of Commons, Hypocrisy at its finest.

Can you tell us what % of the vote mrs arden recieved ?

 

[stewart]

Can you tell us what % of the vote mrs arden recieved ?

36.89% which gives her the equivalent amount of seats, she formed a coalition with other parties to form a government which does not give her the absolute power that Boris has. If there were an election tomorrow she would gain a majority in her own right which does concern me.

 

[arcobob]

No I am not suggesting that the minority view should prevail, as previously stated minorities need to be considered in a civilised society otherwise anarchy prevails.
The voting system in the UK allows a minority of voters to gain a majority of seats in the House of Commons, this appears to be acceptable by the very same people who believe majorities should prevail, no matter how slim that majority is, generally using the age old excuse of that is our parliamentary system that has been. around for years.
A vote for change is always going to be difficult, particularly in the UK where the past takes precedence over the future.
What has the Maori Issue got to do with it and what is in your view the Maori Issue? Have they got their land back? Not sure what you mean, the Maoris have substantial land holdings, always have had and have received large sums of money for the wrongs of the past.

You mean the wrongs committed by the colonials that paved the way for you and millions like you to go and live there. You then criticise the system that gave you these opportunities. You know full well that the Maoris are not happy with their lot and will forever be a thorn in the side of the Scottish and English immigrants who represent the majority.

 

[arcobob]

36.89% which gives her the equivalent amount of seats, she formed a coalition with other parties to form a government which does not give her the absolute power that Boris has. If there were an election tomorrow she would gain a majority in her own right which does concern me.

I remember visiting NZ about twenty years ago when the formation of a coalition had proved impossible. Parliament was dissolved and did not sit for several months. Many commented at the time that the country functioned rather well without political interference.

 

[DrWazzock]

In my view if they had left it in the harbour, melted it down or destroyed it in someway it would have drawn a line under it. They would have had their say but enough’s enough. We get the message but do it again and there will be a crackdown because at the end of day criminal damage cannot be tolerated and the law must be upheld.
We removed all trace of Jimmy Saville and you don’t see many statues of Hitler about so given the scale of Colstons slave dealings, some kind of acknowledgement was overdue in my opinion.
Statues of Churchill, Baden Powell etc should be left alone. There is absolutely no justification for defacing them and anyone doing so should be dealt with according to the law.

 

[stewart]

You mean the wrongs committed by the colonials that paved the way for you and millions like you to go and live there. You then criticise the system that gave you these opportunities. You know full well that the Maoris are not happy with their lot and will forever be a thorn in the side of the Scottish and English immigrants who represent the majority.

I mean the wrongs committed by the British administration and the British army who then left the colonials to sort the mess out, which they have done to a greater or lesser degree remarkable well.

 

[ollie989898]

The gas chambers and crematoriums were not small, i have been there
They could have been bombed which would have slowed the death rate and saved thousands.
I undrstand why they didnt, no one could conceive what was actually happening in auchwitz then.

I have, too. The buildings used for the gassing and cremating were relatively small and surrounded by dozens of other structures all housing prisoners. There is no way a mass air raid by Lancasters could have hit the camp and only destroyed the gas chambers or crematoria- the residential blocks and barracks would have been levelled, too.

 

[stewart]

I have, too. The buildings used for the gassing and cremating were relatively small and surrounded by dozens of other structures all housing prisoners. There is no way a mass air raid by Lancasters could have hit the camp and only destroyed the gas chambers or crematoria- the residential blocks and barracks would have been levelled, too.

Auschwitz itself is relatively small, the mind blowing part is Birkenau, where the trains came in and the main gas chambers were, the idea for bombing was to flatten the whole lot, whether this would have achieved much is debatable, having personally known someone who spent several months in the place I found my visit extremely humbling.

 

[Vader]

Maybe you should ask the parents and grand parents of drug addicts, if we should erect statues of drug dealers if they contribute to the NHS and build museums?

Why have any drug dealers built a museum?

 

[Vader]

 

[stewart]

Maybe you should ask the parents and grand parents of drug addicts, if we should erect statues of drug dealers if they contribute to the NHS and build museums?

Why have any drug dealers built a museum?

With the Opium trade from the British, via their colonies, into China then quite possibly there are several statues to drug dealers already in place.

 

[glasshouse]

With the Opium trade from the British, via their colonies, into China then quite possibly there are several statues to drug dealers already in place.

The main men in the opium trade bought A large estate in scotland, they are still there.

 

[glasshouse]

I have, too. The buildings used for the gassing and cremating were relatively small and surrounded by dozens of other structures all housing prisoners. There is no way a mass air raid by Lancasters could have hit the camp and only destroyed the gas chambers or crematoria- the residential blocks and barracks would have been levelled, too.

No one was going to put a mass air raid on birkenau.
It could hsve been done low level with mosquitos same as 633 squadron took out the heavy water plant in norway
perhaps an air drop of food would have saved more lives

 

[arcobob]

With the Opium trade from the British, via their colonies, into China then quite possibly there are several statues to drug dealers already in place.

To opium you can add tobacco and alcohol. Expansion in world trade led by discovery and colonisation gave rise to demands for new products such as silk and spices . Most of the trade was based on barter and opium was the item that the Chinese wanted from European traders in exchange for silk. Once again it was not just the British who were involved. This went on for centuries until the Chinese outlawed the use of opium because it was having a bad effect on the populace. And today we have a parallel story perhaps.

 

[Exfarmer]

No one was going to put a mass air raid on birkenau.
It could hsve been done low level with mosquitos same as 633 squadron took out the heavy water plant in norway
perhaps an air drop of food would have saved more lives

It was far beyond the range of mosquitos and you can be sure that any food drop would have been Taken by the guards.

 

[Vader]

 

[DrWazzock]

The thing is, and this applies to all aspects of life, is that even if you are in the majority, have the most votes, think you are right or whatever, you still have to accommodate and respect minorities or those of opposing legitimate views. If you don’t you either create violent splinter groups or induce despair and despondency, neither of which make for a happy productive society.
One good thing I find about getting older is I can look back and realise that I was wrong when at the time I was damn sure I was right.

 

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[Chopsy Varmint]

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We should be so lucky.

The BBC is reporting that Churchill may be removed from Parliament Square and hidden away somewhere in a museum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53033550

Yesterday police in London were splitting up and moving on small groups of people drinking takeaway beer together while a mile away thousands of BLMers were breaking lockdown under their noses.

These people were moved on:

These people weren't: