Black lives demo.

[capfits]

It's strange. They always report about the extreme right protesting and causing damage, but it never gets mentioned when the extreme left do it. Double standards.

Funny that cos by the extreme left you mean communists I have not seen any reporting about them too.
Do you have examples of their crimes?
But if you mean those that sympathise with the objectives of organisations like Black Lives Matter, I am pretty sure it was all over the telly last week and covered in a wide variety of papers.
Oh well..

 

[Storeman]

Funny that cos by the extreme left you mean communists I have not seen any reporting about them too.
Do you have examples of their crimes?
But if you mean those that sympathise with the objectives of organisations like Black Lives Matter, I am pretty sure it was all over the telly last week and covered in a wide variety of papers.
Oh well..

If you care to read my post, it's more of a comment on the labels given. Always talking about an extreme right, never an extreme left.
Oh well...

 

[Werzle]

Press are whipping up shock and horror because of the photo of a yob taking a leak by a pillar that was behind a memorial for PC palmer, he wasnt peeing on it in any shape or form. Is it any worse than the yob who defaced churchills statue and tried to burn the unionjack? In my opinion both protesters are yobs that should be hit over the head with a baton, but why is it always easier to condem the actions of the white yob over the black/asian etc yob? The government doesnt want to sow the seed of division but they are ,by choosing to only police one side. Nobody should be protesting with covid19 hanging over us.

 

[capfits]

If you care to read my post, it's more of a comment on the labels given. Always talking about an extreme right, never an extreme left.
Oh well...

@Storeman oh well so if we are taking about who is labelling who, who do you perceive, THEY, as you put it are describing and consequently who is the extreme right and then in turn the extreme left?

 

[stewart]

To opium you can add tobacco and alcohol. Expansion in world trade led by discovery and colonisation gave rise to demands for new products such as silk and spices . Most of the trade was based on barter and opium was the item that the Chinese wanted from European traders in exchange for silk. Once again it was not just the British who were involved. This went on for centuries until the Chinese outlawed the use of opium because it was having a bad effect on the populace. And today we have a parallel story perhaps.

That is not quite accurate and is a sanitised version of history, much along the same lines as the statue topplers are attempting to do.
China was trading silk, tea, porcelain etc for which they would only take silver as payment, this was depleting the vast hordes of silver that the British had raided from the colonies, to try and put a halt to this the East India company et.al. smuggled opium from the colony of India into China, which they sold for silver using this silver to pay for silk, tea etc. So much opium was being smuggled in that it paid for the entire tea trade.
The Chinese were understandably not to happy about this and tried to put a stop to it, they forced the British Superintendent of Trade to hand over all his opium stocks which started the opium wars.
There are some parallels to the present day, the West was not best pleased with the positive balance of trade that China held, just as today.
It is relatively easy to look at the past with todays standards, morals and ethics condemning what went on, it was however the accepted norm, much as slavery was, sending children to work down the mines was, shipping orphans (some of whom were not even orphans) off to the colonies was and Lord Pumfulroy shaqqing the chamber maid was.
Thankfully the world has moved on and the above are no longer accepted in normal society, there is still however a large element of racism and I have sympathy with those that are trying to put a halt or at least reduce this, I have no sympathy whatsoever with the methods they are using as this will have the reverse effect.

 

[Bald Rick]

Funny that cos by the extreme left you mean communists I have not seen any reporting about them too.
Do you have examples of their crimes?
But if you mean those that sympathise with the objectives of organisations like Black Lives Matter, I am pretty sure it was all over the telly last week and covered in a wide variety of papers.
Oh well..

I believe the Socialist Workers Party - about as far left as you can go - are or indeed have infiltrated BML.
Here is a photo of Gary McFarlane, a prominent member of the SWP standing alongside actor John Boyega at the Hyde Park protest.
Nice piece of work, McFarlane including posting a video clip of the policewoman who’s horse bolted and slammed her in to a traffic light with the comment “what a stupid policeman” as well as calling for revolution

Incidentally both SWP and BML has the dismantling of capitalism as a core tenet

 

[Storeman]

@Storeman oh well so if we are taking about who is labelling who, who do you perceive, THEY, as you put it are describing and consequently who is the extreme right and then in turn the extreme left?

Well if you pay attention to the media, they never talk about the extreme left. Mainly because they are part of it, which is the ultra woke pc brigade. They see anyone who disagrees with their distorted view of the world as extreme right.

 

[Storeman]

I believe the Socialist Workers Party - about as far left as you can go - are or indeed have infiltrated BML.
Here is a photo of Gary McFarlane, a prominent member of the SWP standing alongside actor John Boyega at the Hyde Park protest.
Nice piece of work, McFarlane including posting a video clip of the policewoman who’s horse bolted and slammed her in to a traffic light with the comment “what a stupid policeman” as well as calling for revolution

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Incidentally both SWP and BML has the dismantling of capitalism as a core tenet

A fine example of extreme left. Nasty piece of work.

 

[Henarar]

 

[Raider112]

Funny that cos by the extreme left you mean communists I have not seen any reporting about them too.
Do you have examples of their crimes?
But if you mean those that sympathise with the objectives of organisations like Black Lives Matter, I am pretty sure it was all over the telly last week and covered in a wide variety of papers.
Oh well..

It was on the telly last week but as I said earlier the language used to describe the two protests was far more sympathetic last week. 40 years ago nearly everyone was a racist, we knew no differently as we were surrounded by it. A month ago it was just a small minority that will never change but there is a hell of a backlash from these protesters tearing down statues which has set race relations back years and journalists giving their opinion rather than reporting what is happening is just fanning the flames.

 

[Fubar]

I would like to see the police thrash both sides tbh

This was always on the cards once blm started attacking national landmarks.
I said last week there will be fighting in the streets once the EDL et al get involved.
I had a lump in my throat watching the service veterans marching down Whitehall to scenes of clapping public. But, as much as the rioters damaged the blm campaign last week, those right wing Neanderthals and "football fan" twonks have handed the moral high ground straight back.
What I've just seen on the news makes me embarrassed to be the same nationality as those idiots. They've been cooped up for 3 months, no footy, no pubs open. Bet they couldn't wait to drag their fists into a good old fashioned ding dong.
FFS.Get the army in. Give them some water cannon and don't take any prisoners. It's the only language those p-icks understand.

 

[Werzle]

This was always on the cards once blm started attacking national landmarks.
I said last week there will be fighting in the streets once the EDL et al get involved.
I had a lump in my throat watching the service veterans marching down Whitehall to scenes of clapping public. But, as much as the rioters damaged the blm campaign last week, those right wing Neanderthals and "football fan" twonks have handed the moral high ground straight back.
What I've just seen on the news makes me embarrassed to be the same nationality as those idiots. They've been cooped up for 3 months, no footy, no pubs open. Bet they couldn't wait to drag their fists into a good old fashioned ding dong.
FFS.Get the army in. Give them some water cannon and don't take any prisoners. It's the only language those p-icks understand.

Trouble is we all get lumped in with those idiots today, but i still say they wouldnt have been there if the police had done there job last week. 1)The police should have enforced c19 lockdown (2) They should have stopped the vandalism.
We all know boris shouldnt have been forced to sell the water canons, they would have been perfect this last week for crowd control.

 

[Vader]

 

[Pilatus]

Sorry to keep on but how could anyone in society think that the “new normal” (dream on !!) would think that Covid 19 would change the ways of mankind.
Just looked at BBC news and riots about this and that as bad as ever around the globe.

 

[bumkin]

Sorry to keep on but how could anyone in society think that the “new normal” (dream on !!) would think that Covid 19 would change the ways of mankind.
Just looked at BBC news and riots about this and that as bad as ever around the globe.

if they dont like our history its too bad nothings going to change if they dont like our ways too bad if they find us too offensive too bad they can always go some where else to live

 

[Pilatus]

if they dont like our history its too bad nothings going to change if they dont like our ways too bad if they find us too offensive too bad they can always go some where else to live

I say again I think many of those protesters whatever the origins of their ancestors are anarchists .
So I wish a lot of British origin whites protestors would f... of to another country, as there looks to be a lot of them in those protests.
? Why are many of those protestors so weak they wear hoods and balaclavas?

 

[Farm buy]

I think a lot of Irish volunteered & gave their lives for the British Army & RAF so we shouldn't dismiss their contribution.
Also Ireland provided ports for the Royal Navy to use for the war in the Atlantic which helped to turn the tide against the Germans.

There is a weather station or a lighthouse in Blacksod Bay in the west of Ireland that was supposed to be hugely responsible for the landings on D day. What every day was chosen to land was going to blow a real bad storm and on the info from that station the landings were cancelled shortly beforehand. while support seemed small there actions were not llke the actions of a country supporting Hitler

 

[arcobob]

That is not quite accurate and is a sanitised version of history, much along the same lines as the statue topplers are attempting to do.
China was trading silk, tea, porcelain etc for which they would only take silver as payment, this was depleting the vast hordes of silver that the British had raided from the colonies, to try and put a halt to this the East India company et.al. smuggled opium from the colony of India into China, which they sold for silver using this silver to pay for silk, tea etc. So much opium was being smuggled in that it paid for the entire tea trade.
The Chinese were understandably not to happy about this and tried to put a stop to it, they forced the British Superintendent of Trade to hand over all his opium stocks which started the opium wars.
There are some parallels to the present day, the West was not best pleased with the positive balance of trade that China held, just as today.
It is relatively easy to look at the past with todays standards, morals and ethics condemning what went on, it was however the accepted norm, much as slavery was, sending children to work down the mines was, shipping orphans (some of whom were not even orphans) off to the colonies was and Lord Pumfulroy shaqqing the chamber maid was.
Thankfully the world has moved on and the above are no longer accepted in normal society, there is still however a large element of racism and I have sympathy with those that are trying to put a halt or at least reduce this, I have no sympathy whatsoever with the methods they are using as this will have the reverse effect.

My post was indeed a simplified version and has parallels with the Chinese /west trade balance situation today. World currency systems were not established and bartering goods was the norm The most relevant point is your statement about applying today`s standards to the past, especially when taking things out of context and in isolation. This is precisely why growing a big chip based on practices or incidences from the past with which you disagree is dangerous and misleading.
The Opium Wars had far reaching consequences including the Hong Kong situation.

 

[stewart]

My post was indeed a simplified version and has parallels with the Chinese /west trade balance situation today. World currency systems were not established and bartering goods was the norm The most relevant point is your statement about applying today`s standards to the past, especially when taking things out of context and in isolation. This is precisely why growing a big chip based on practices or incidences from the past with which you disagree is dangerous and misleading.
The Opium Wars had far reaching consequences including the Hong Kong situation.

There are a great many things that happened years ago particularly during the Empire building years, some were for the greater good, others were not so beneficial, however we are in the position of having 20/20 hindsight.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

I'm wondering whether I need to put security on my fathers gravestone ......he used slave labour .....6 of us from an early age !!!!