Grandfather rights

[Mur Huwcun]

Dis this thread not start off discussing employer responsibilities before turning out to a willy waving bullying type of thread?

If any one on here is an employer and is happy for staff to be untrained and run the risk of being one of the 36 fatal accident stats annually in the UK then carry on and run the risk of something like 10-15% of your gross turnover as a HSE fine plus the court cases and maybe a little holiday behind the wall.

Come on guys, grow up, get inline with other industries and get things above board, if you don't agree with it well so be it but WHEN the accident happens do you really want to face all the consequences.

I'm unwatching/ un following this thread now so I won't get the notifications. It's a nice sunny day here now after the snow cleared, spring is on it's way

 

[tepapa]

Why?
We don't know what the driver knew.

The geometry of loaders can often mean they won't fully crowd at certain heights.
The speed bumps would mean it couldn't be close to the ground.
We know that any medium height can severely restrict your view and we know there was a least one person in the vicinity [trying to give advice].
It is quite possible that the decision to carry at height was logical and safest in this particular circumstance.

I think on balance this is more likely than that the experienced operator being an idiot as assumed by Mur Huwcun.

I am only trying to demonstrate the point that an experienced operator is capable of evaluating a situation and making a judgement whereas someone who simply operates as they have been taught isn't. Everyone should know that it is best to keep a loader low so it is experience that would over-ride this based on other factors deemed more relevant.

Maybe an experienced operator would say that since they can't go over the speed bumps with the bucket down or with the bucket slightly raised, as it will block the view, it would be better to put the load on a trailer and drive the load over the bumps.

 

[thesilentone]

Sad but true, and given some of the comments on here, it is easy to see why.

Fatal injuries in agriculture, forestry and fishing in Great Britain 2019/20
Struck by a moving vehicle was the most common killer in agriculture.
Figures published in the Health and Safety Executive's report 'Fatal injuries in agriculture, forestry and fishing in Great Britain 2019/20' show 21 people were killed as a result of farming and other agriculture-related activities during the year.

Transport – overturning vehicles or being struck by moving vehicles – caused most deaths.

Agriculture has the worst rate of worker fatal injury (per 100,000) of the main industrial sectors. It is eighteen times as high as the average rate across all industries.

Around half of the agricultural workers killed were 55 years or older.

The youngest person killed was a 4-year-old child.

 

[Drillman]

Like I’ve said many times before Health and Safety, training courses and certificates of competence will never replace common sense!

And before anyone shoots me down I will guarantee there is no one in any industry that hasn’t pushed the boundaries of the above at some point.

we would never have got out of caves and stopped chasing stuff with spears if we hadn’t, And just think how dangerous that probably was!