Lamma Machinery

[Fragonard]

Kuhn 39meter "vario" gearbox diet feeder?
Kuhn "smart" plough?
Any thoughts, or customers?
The diet feeder buying price, I was told is approx 110k.
Thanks.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Kuhn 39meter "vario" gearbox diet feeder?
Kuhn "smart" plough?
Any thoughts, or customers?
The diet feeder buying price, I was told is approx 110k.
Thanks.

Be betr with keenan

 

[Spud]

I think we are approaching a time when simple becomes more appealing.
The (at the end of the day largely non essential) frills are becoming much harder to justify.
Does a plough need electronics? No, it doesn't.
Tractors have got to a point where you can't just hop on and go, nothing is obvious.
Go back 30yrs (I know, I'm getting old) any idiot could suss out a 3050 Jondy or 7810 Ford, or a 956 Nash.
Very few today could jump from a 6R to a T7 to a Puma and have the wheels turning with as much of an idea of what does what as they did in 1990.
This is not a good thing.

 

[tr250]

I think we are approaching a time when simple becomes more appealing.
The (at the end of the day largely non essential) frills are becoming much harder to justify.
Does a plough need electronics? No, it doesn't.
Tractors have got to a point where you can't just hop on and go, nothing is obvious.
Go back 30yrs (I know, I'm getting old) any idiot could suss out a 3050 Jondy or 7810 Ford, or a 956 Nash.
Very few today could jump from a 6R to a T7 to a Puma and have the wheels turning with as much of an idea of what does what as they did in 1990.
This is not a good thing.

Your definitely right and it’s also a health and safety hazard being that complicated to drive

 

[Grandad Pig]

I teach in a FE college. I have to drum into students the “safe stop” routine. Out of gear, handbrake on and engine off every time they leave the cab. Fine on the college tractors but as one lad pointed out to me you can wait ten minutes for the computer to boot up, the GPS to lock on etc etc so “Safe Stop” doesn’t happen in the real world. I love a bit of technology but you can’t help thinking the tail is starting to wag the dog.

 

[nick...]

Agree on electronics on ploughs.im sure ive read in last week or two that the kverneland plough with all the electronic stuff on them retailed for £47k for a 5 furrow plough.thats just ridiculous.im sure peoples skills are not what they where.how ever can that cost be justified
Nick...

 

[GeorgeK]

And the less said about current styling direction the better

 

[Martin Holden]

I think we are approaching a time when simple becomes more appealing.
The (at the end of the day largely non essential) frills are becoming much harder to justify.
Does a plough need electronics? No, it doesn't.
Tractors have got to a point where you can't just hop on and go, nothing is obvious.
Go back 30yrs (I know, I'm getting old) any idiot could suss out a 3050 Jondy or 7810 Ford, or a 956 Nash.
Very few today could jump from a 6R to a T7 to a Puma and have the wheels turning with as much of an idea of what does what as they did in 1990.
This is not a good thing.

You speak for many that we speak to at shows. Electrification is all very well from an operators perspective but if it is prone to faults it’s a major pain! Had this discussion with several at Lamma this year. An old engineer once told me that rain, dust and dirt of any sort doesn’t sit well with electronics on farm machinery. Over the years that statement has haunted me. To be fair they have developed and are better now especially connections, looms and sealing.

 

[Boysground]

And the less said about current styling direction the better

Couldn’t agree more. We spent most of the show saying tractors look too angry these days. The black deutz was the worst

bg

 

[Robt]

I teach in a FE college. I have to drum into students the “safe stop” routine. Out of gear, handbrake on and engine off every time they leave the cab. Fine on the college tractors but as one lad pointed out to me you can wait ten minutes for the computer to boot up, the GPS to lock on etc etc so “Safe Stop” doesn’t happen in the real world. I love a bit of technology but you can’t help thinking the tail is starting to wag the dog.

No computer on a tractor takes ten minutes. 1 at the very most!
mad for GPS. Most will have a “keep alive” function so you can safely stop the machine. As a teacher, should you not research this a little more rather than agree with the students?

 

[Spud]

No computer on a tractor takes ten minutes. 1 at the very most!
mad for GPS. Most will have a “keep alive” function so you can safely stop the machine. As a teacher, should you not research this a little more rather than agree with the students?

'Most will have a keep alive function' - maybe they do, but how do we know that, and how to access it? First I've heard of such a thing tbh.

 

[Andrew]

Who has the GPS wired up to go off with the key anyway?

 

[Spud]

Add blue is the biggest problem with stopping and starting. If you start back up before it's finished it's shut down procedure it has a tendency to sulk!

 

[Martin Holden]

Who has the GPS wired up to go off with the key anyway?

So long as you remember to disconnect it when leaving for overnight!

 

[Grandad Pig]

GPS was unheard of when I qualified (late ‘70’s). Left the industry 15 years ago when GPS and computing was in its infancy in agriculture. Never driven a computer controlled tractor but would like a go one day.

I have been doing this job for 5 days so think I can prioritise updating my knowledge. Having enough trouble finding the toilets and kettle at the moment. Thanks for the advice though?

 

[Still Farming]

I teach in a FE college. I have to drum into students the “safe stop” routine. Out of gear, handbrake on and engine off every time they leave the cab. Fine on the college tractors but as one lad pointed out to me you can wait ten minutes for the computer to boot up, the GPS to lock on etc etc so “Safe Stop” doesn’t happen in the real world. I love a bit of technology but you can’t help thinking the tail is starting to wag the dog.

Also the cabs and control so far away most are set on the rear wings for operators to lift arms or turn pto pack etc and need engine running .

 

[Grandad Pig]

And yet the qualification (BTEC L2) requires a full “safe stop” every time the driver leaves the tractor seat. PITA but I guess if it were my son or daughter at college I would want them safe rather than efficient. Plenty of time when they start work to figure out how things really work.

 

[Two Tone]

I am supposedly the average age of a UK farmer (59). I was going to go to Lamma, which is only 45 minutes from where I live, but decided not to as there really isn’t anything I want or am interested in to buy.

Why?
I’ve actually got the the stage where I don’t like most of the modern kit they try to sell us these days. The sophistication I have got is what I need and I’m not interested in and am becoming frightened by the electronic gizmos and tech that many tractors have today. Not to mention how ugly many new tractors look today.

I am a one man band and look after my kit. My youngest tractor is a 14 plate. I am proud of the skills I have to happily farm without the latest gizmos. I don’t need electric spool valves or Vario gearboxes. My repair bills are negligible because I can fix most things without needing somebody to come out with a laptop to find out what is wrong.

There are certain things that are a huge help, such as fertiliser spreaders and sprayers that automatically maintain application rates, no matter what speed you travel at and drills that can vary seed rates as you change from one soil type to another.

I can understand younger farmers and workers wanting the latest all singing, all dancing tractors as a sort of status symbol. When I was at that age, it was always because the latest kit actually was of benefit to the soils and crops we grow, giving us the ability to increase output, rather than what seems minor abilities to create efficiency that will mostly never justify the expense of the gizmo. Not to mention the loss of operator skill and cost of repair when it fails to work.

I want reliability, comfort and to use something that looks right rather than an over-the-top aerodynamic looking monster.

 

[Still Farming]

I am supposedly the average age of a UK farmer (59). I was going to go to Lamma, which is only 45 minutes from where I live, but decided not to as there really isn’t anything I want or am interested in to buy.

Why?
I’ve actually got the the stage where I don’t like most of the modern kit they try to sell us these days. The sophistication I have got is what I need and I’m not interested in and am becoming frightened by the electronic gizmos and tech that many tractors have today. Not to mention how ugly many new tractors look today.

I am a one man band and look after my kit. My youngest tractor is a 14 plate. I am proud of the skills I have to happily farm without the latest gizmos. I don’t need electric spool valves or Vario gearboxes. My repair bills are negligible because I can fix most things without needing somebody to come out with a laptop to find out what is wrong.

There are certain things that are a huge help, such as fertiliser spreaders and sprayers that automatically maintain application rates, no matter what speed you travel at and drills that can vary seed rates as you change from one soil type to another.

I can understand younger farmers and workers wanting the latest all singing, all dancing tractors as a sort of status symbol. When I was at that age, it was always because the latest kit actually was of benefit to the soils and crops we grow, giving us the ability to increase output, rather than what seems minor abilities to create efficiency that will mostly never justify the expense of the gizmo. Not to mention the loss of operator skill and cost of repair when it fails to work.

I want reliability, comfort and to use something that looks right rather than an over-the-top aerodynamic looking monster.

Was Not much there that any SMALL farmer could afford new anyhow !

 

[Andrew]

I’ve said it before so many times, an engine stop button on the mudguard would help an awful lot. So many people leave the tractor running to use the lift arm buttons on the mudguard. Then can’t be bothered to climb in and turn the engine off before entering the ‘danger area’ to connect PTO and other bits. A stop button would make it safer and quicker (for those that do turn it off). Would cost about £3 on the price of a tractor.