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He may not run it, but a little over 17 million folk were encouraged to vote Leave by him.
( with all due disrespect to the ERG team )
No Deal Brexit
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( with all due disrespect to the ERG team )
Most of that we should never have to lose except for the application of sheer bloody mindednes and contrived obstructionist policies.
Britain's you mean? It was always, always clear (and if another member were leaving, not the UK, 'we' would have insisted on no compromise) that no non-member will get as good or better a deal than members. SO blindlingly obvious but the default position has always been that British arrogance that We deserve better because we are us. Totally undeserved exceptionalism swallowed hook line and sinker by little Englanders
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Name one that we would have a right to retain under a leave deal? Remember, leave means leave - not picking and choosing.
Or, to put it more crudely, why would your ex still let you sleep with her?
Oh, and it’s protectionist, not obstructionist. And we benefit from it so long as we are in the club.
Having been lucky enough to have worked nearly all my working life around mainland Europe I've experienced the utter joy of working together with mixtures of people with different backgrounds, specialisms etc. to create together better outcomes than I, or they, could have produced alone. Working together is good. I also have experience of a failing, very large UK company brought into the fold and seeing the arrogance that so many of those same people who screwed up expecting everyone else to change their way of working. Not because it was better (clearly it wasn't, which is why they were failing before being bought out) but because it was the way they had always done it.
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@Forage Trader - any chance of the courtesy of a reply, given I took the time to type in a response to your question?
[QUOTE="Highland Mule, post: 6114962, member: 3309can't s could turn that question around and ask you what would be so much better about staying, but: since you asked so nicely.
I like having access to cancer diagnostics
I don’t want us to pay 100% of the costs of running an internationally recognised standards agency, an aviation safety agency, a centre for disease control, chemicals licensing.
I prefer to be able to trade with my nearest customers without barriers
I like the protection of worker rights, health and safety, courts of justice, etc that comes from being in the E.U.
I like the money I get from being in the CAP
I like the coordinated approach to science that comes from being in a higher club - that we can afford to collaborate on things that we couldn’t manage on our own ITER being one
I like that I can travel around Europe without need for a visa, that I can work in other countries without beurocracy
I like that this country can act as a conduit for trade to loads more and that our taxes are lower and standards of living are higher as a result of the money that the government makes from handling that trade.
I like that our police have access to Europol and can benefit from the sharing of intelligence on criminals.
And I don’t want to lose any of that.
Now, what am I going to gain by Brexit?[/QUOTE]
With the exception of the first and last points I can't see many of those as benefits to alot of people and some I see as the polar opposite tbh
I like having access to cancer diagnostics
I don’t want us to pay 100% of the costs of running an internationally recognised standards agency, an aviation safety agency, a centre for disease control, chemicals licensing.
I prefer to be able to trade with my nearest customers without barriers
I like the protection of worker rights, health and safety, courts of justice, etc that comes from being in the E.U.
I like the money I get from being in the CAP
I like the coordinated approach to science that comes from being in a higher club - that we can afford to collaborate on things that we couldn’t manage on our own ITER being one
I like that I can travel around Europe without need for a visa, that I can work in other countries without beurocracy
I like that this country can act as a conduit for trade to loads more and that our taxes are lower and standards of living are higher as a result of the money that the government makes from handling that trade.
I like that our police have access to Europol and can benefit from the sharing of intelligence on criminals.
And I don’t want to lose any of that.
Now, what am I going to gain by Brexit?[/QUOTE]
With the exception of the first and last points I can't see many of those as benefits to alot of people and some I see as the polar opposite tbh
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Nonsense - they all help virtually everyone. Name one that you and a majority of the population aren’t affected by.
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Self employed criminal hermits who don’t travel?
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Points 2,3,,4,5,7,8
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Justify it then. I took ten minutes to write that list - you take ten to explain why you think the opposite of them would be a benefit to the UK.
And feel free to tell me what extra benefits this Brexit fiasco is bringing me. Oh, and I’m colour blind so don’t mention passports.
Thankyou Mule. I lost the will to live briefly after point 3
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Sorry I'm driving to Sussex atm
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Happy to wait.
Sorry for the delay been out round the cows before dark old fashioned stuff I know , anyway .
Point 1- agreed
2 - if you don't pay for these things you will have to accept their decisions which may not be best for your
Circumstances or be used against you to make you trade at a disadvantage . eg they keep trying to
ban roundup ,
3- I find cross compliance etc a barrier to trading with my nearest customers /suppliers
4- if you can afford it and stay in business that's nice
5 - lucky you , what was it you were saying about barriers to trade ?
6- agreed
7- nice for holidays and those who have them , but it works both ways , ask the locals in spalding or
Boston what they think . But generally having a high value currency as we do means that wages and
demand for the local workers are reduced whilst housing costs escalate creating a viscous circle of
people having to rely on benefits to live . Similar to farming situation I suppose .
8- Obviously you can afford to buy a house and having to compete with these people is not an issue for
you . I fail to see the long term sustainability of having an economy that does not actually produce
much whilst being constantly being at risk of being undercut due its high cost base eg moving call
call centres to India etc .
9 - agreed
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1, I believe you are referring to the availability of a certain isotope for diagnostics..... I believe any difficulties are very short term and if the EU were to inhibit our procurement it would be borderline criminal.
2, There are advantages to having our own internationally recognised standards agencies,not least resilience to issues and employment for nationals. Any outward looking EU would embrace co-operation.
3, Barriers are a choice.
4, An independent UK is perfectly able to match worker rights, health and safety, courts of justice, etc. It will also be able not to should it be desired.
5, Monies from the poorly considered CAP are only a small percentage of whats paid in. It will cost less to pay more for better schemes more appropriate for the regions.
6, Quite right. I believe other countries outside the EU are already involved and there is no reason why being a member of the EU should be a prerequisite for co-operation in science,space, technological research.
7, There is no reason that travel should be particularly disrupted.
Given the amount of drug, arms and human trafficking as well as the onset of stateless terrorism, better monitoring of borders is a good thing.
8. This need not change.
9. This need not change and it has already been accepted that most intelligence sharing is done bilaterally between countries and is not affected.
We currently pay much more into the EU that we get back with strict instructions as to how it is spent.
We import much more than we export.
1 in 7 of the population of the EU live in the UK.
We have tried to reform the EU but the monolith is not for changing.
I would love to be part of a strong,stable and flexible EU. It has morphed into a political union continually demanding more money and greater powers.
Leaving is difficult now but will only get harder. The union has reached 'peak advantage ' and will become increasing obtrusive for an ever decreasing advantage.
It has brought us all closer together but its attempts to tie us close is beginning to rip us apart.
Fundamentally, continental democracy doesn't work.
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With the exception of the first and last points I can't see many of those as benefits to alot of people and some I see as the polar opposite tbh[/QUOTE]
Cancer diagnostics is not the first step, getting a doctor`s appointment is and that is very difficult in some areas. Interpol was in existence long before Europol and worked, albeit without computer technology. Traveland driving around Europe was no problem, we had a passport and an internationally accepted driving licence and still require .one. This is all about mutual cooperation and benefit or lack of it.
We don`t and did not need a European parliamenr and an overweight bunch of Eurocrats organising that , it was accepted that mutual benefits were a good thing to cultivate. Forget the childish pomposity and stop making a case for perpetuating the gravy train.
