Short disc ..... any good

[Alwaysinit]

Just sat here lugging my set of Simba 2b disc's over some heavy ploughing before gettinh the combi hooked up and wondering how a set of short disc would compare?
If i thought they would do a better job i would look into maybe changing to a set.
Any thoughts?

 

[nick...]

I’ve never used heavy type discs but short discs do great job cutting up the ground then compacting it again.aswell as stubble cultivating I allways use mine on rolled ploughed land before combination drilling.it saves a massive amount of wear on power Harrow and I can go twice as fast too.i could away with a plain drill but have the combination from when we grew beet and needed something to knock down ground in November and December after beet.from what I’ve seen short discs work a lot faster than old type discs.i can easily do 10 acres an hour with my 5 metre machine
Nick...

 

[Alwaysinit]

That sounds ideal @nick... . I suppose a demo would be a the job but unlikely.
I will maybe have to do some research over the summer and see whats available and how the cash flow sticks it as changing the plough is first on the list?

 

[bravheart]

A double/culti press will be better on ploughing

 

[Phil P]

Just sat here lugging my set of Simba 2b disc's over some heavy ploughing before gettinh the combi hooked up and wondering how a set of short disc would compare?
If i thought they would do a better job i would look into maybe changing to a set.
Any thoughts?

I’ve just had a set of 4m Proforge Inverta short disks, had a 3m set of Opico vari-discs before which where ok but ate bearings!
Must admit I’m impressed with the inverta’s, been running them over some ploughing before the drill and they doing a pretty good job of levelling and breaking up the stiff parts.

 

[Chae1]

I’ve just had a set of 4m Proforge Inverta short disks, had a 3m set of Opico vari-discs before which where ok but ate bearings!
Must admit I’m impressed with the inverta’s, been running them over some ploughing before the drill and they doing a pretty good job of levelling and breaking up the stiff parts.
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When you set up the short discs with your front box for drilling, would you mind starting a thread on it?

I'm hoping to do the same but with a min till stubble cultivator. So want to copy you! I'm hoping to use mine to establish stubble turnips/forage rape and grass after winter barley. I've a split front box so will sow fert with same pass.

Does anyone not think they need tines in front of the short discs to remove compaction? I'm thinking a simba express with st bar or Amazone cenius or something similar. So tines/discs/packer.

 

[dieselboost]

@Jenks6910

I like the set up you have with the air seeder on the disc harrow. I am thinking of buying a similar set up solely for reseeding grassland. Have you done much of this type of work and how many runs do you complete including the seeding run?

Do you find it successful and negates the need for a run with a power harrow?

How long after spraying glyphosphate do you start to disc?

I am of the opinion that discing is the best middle of the road cultivation option for reseeding. Ploughing being the ultimate if ground needs to be leveled or a major weed issues addressed or the incorporation of high quantities of slurry or FYM.

I am not sold on minimum cultivation techniques such as the Guttler system as I prefer to have a tilth created to seed into.

 

[Phil P]

When you set up the short discs with your front box for drilling, would you mind starting a thread on it?

I'm hoping to do the same but with a min till stubble cultivator. So want to copy you! I'm hoping to use mine to establish stubble turnips/forage rape and grass after winter barley. I've a split front box so will sow fert with same pass.

Does anyone not think they need tines in front of the short discs to remove compaction? I'm thinking a simba express with st bar or Amazone cenius or something similar. So tines/discs/packer.

I was thinking I’ll probably do a thread when I finally making a start!
I’m still very much undecided on how to put the seed in the ground? Ideally I need something that can easily be removed for when the discs are just been used for cultivation work, I think the smaller tractor would struggle with to much additional weight.
As for putting legs in front I think you’d struggle to get the forwarded speed needed for the discs to work properly, usually 10kph plus is a good working speed.

 

[simon-0116]

I was thinking I’ll probably do a thread when I finally making a start!
I’m still very much undecided on how to put the seed in the ground? Ideally I need something that can easily be removed for when the discs are just been used for cultivation work, I think the smaller tractor would struggle with to much additional weight.
As for putting legs in front I think you’d struggle to get the forwarded speed needed for the discs to work properly, usually 10kph plus is a good working speed.

Look at vaderstat crd300 simple. But it's box not air, but simple coulters

 

[Farmer Roy]

When you set up the short discs with your front box for drilling, would you mind starting a thread on it?

I'm hoping to do the same but with a min till stubble cultivator. So want to copy you! I'm hoping to use mine to establish stubble turnips/forage rape and grass after winter barley. I've a split front box so will sow fert with same pass.

Does anyone not think they need tines in front of the short discs to remove compaction? I'm thinking a simba express with st bar or Amazone cenius or something similar. So tines/discs/packer.

if you look closely, you will see I have spreader plates mounted behind my rear set of discs, in front of the packer roller.
As you may have seen before, I run a 2 tonne ( 2 x 1 tonne boxes ) Simplicity front mounted airseeder for my planters. I plumbed up some hoses for the multi disc but have never actually used it to plant anything.
I did have some pics of it ready to go, with all the hoses on it but appear to have lost them.
The spreader plates are on 50cm spacing & given where they are mounted appeared to give a pretty even spread when I was playing around with it

 

[Gerbert]

I worked alot with an Evers shortdisc (who makes the opico vari disc) and just let the seed fall behind the discs, it had a guttler roller which did a fine job incorperating on sand. Did wheat and greencovers with it, no complaints.

 

[Boydvalley]

i’ve got a combination drill with a Flexi coil packer and for grass just lift the coulters out of the ground and let the seed fall on top the ground behind the packer and roll in.
Even then it can go too deep. won’t drop it in front of packer.

Best results I have now for grass are to create seed bed depending on conditions, ring roll, spread seed and roll again sometimes twice. Works very well for red clover.

 

[Farmer Roy]

When you set up the short discs with your front box for drilling, would you mind starting a thread on it?

I'm hoping to do the same but with a min till stubble cultivator. So want to copy you! I'm hoping to use mine to establish stubble turnips/forage rape and grass after winter barley. I've a split front box so will sow fert with same pass.

Does anyone not think they need tines in front of the short discs to remove compaction? I'm thinking a simba express with st bar or Amazone cenius or something similar. So tines/discs/packer.

hi
Sorry, I miss read your post. You werent actually asking about a set up on discs, but on a cultivator.

with my front mounted bins, I’ve plumbed them up to any number of different implements behind me, linkage or trailed, tyned cultivators to various single & double disc planters to the above multi disc

how easy it is probably depends on the style / brand of the front bins though. Simplicity’s run a fully pressurised bin & meters, rather than a Venturi design, which makes them a LOT more flexible adaptable to big changes in plumbing, outlets & airflow.
This bin has done everything from 48 outlets over 12 m, to 6 outlets over 8 m, all successfully

 

[Dales Agri Sales Agency]

We had no experience with short discs but have access to a huge range so got a 3m set for evaluation / demo work and the results were impressive.

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The final picture was the results of the demo on the John Deere in Pembrokeshire.

 

[MrNoo]

4m Proforge Inverta here, had a set of Opica Vari discs before that as above, ate bearings with our stone. ery pleased with it, great for stale seedbeds and knocking down ploughing. Did also use it as main cultivation this spring on a couple of heavy clay fields, went over once then again at a 40 degree angle. Surprising the ground you can cover with them in a day, decent price too.

 

[Flat 10]

We had no experience with short discs but have access to a huge range so got a 3m set for evaluation / demo work and the results were impressive.View attachment 871305View attachment 871306View attachment 871309View attachment 871310View attachment 871311.
The final picture was the results of the demo on the John Deere in Pembrokeshire.

£575?! I will have 3 sets please...

 

[Bob lincs]

Proforge Inverta Max here , excellent bit if kit .

 

[Heathland]

Bit of a tip @Phil P
Get some more nuts and bolts for the middle hole on the disc bracket.?
Great bit of kit,mines had a lot of stick this spring and its broken several bolts on the brackets.
If you look at @Bob lincs machine they have 6 bolts in each leg bracket,mine will have for the autumn campaign.

 

[Phil P]

Bit of a tip @Phil P
Get some more nuts and bolts for the middle hole on the disc bracket.?
Great bit of kit,mines had a lot of stick this spring and its broken several bolts on the brackets.
If you look at @Bob lincs machine they have 6 bolts in each leg bracket,mine will have for the autumn campaign.

Thanks for the info, I’ll put some bolts in before any get broken ?

 

[johnboy87]

Thought id add onto here rather than start yet another short disc post, am I mad to be thinking of a short disc to be a cheaper, quicker way of doing grass reseeds?
Thinking spray off grass(either after cutting or after the milkers have grazed), 3leg subsoiler into any bad compaction, 2 passes with a short disk at different angles, a run with a "ripper" in any patches that were rutted and haven't leveled up and finish up with some variation of paddleboard roll, seed, roll depending on how we put the seed on?