Don’t lower yourself to there levels, were better than thatalthough I will buy as much discounted unassured OSR and milling wheat as anyone wants to sell me and I have spare stickers for ...............
maybe the best way to fight dishonesty is with dishonesty !! ???
I'm not.Don’t lower yourself to their levels, we're better than that
Can’t store grain with a commercial third party store without Red Tractor either.
Camgrain or @Woldgrain Storage for example.
TASCC assured stores are now limited to handling RT assured grain only.
A long time ago TASCC stores could take non-assured grain in and then outload it as TASCC assured (as long as there was a magic wand near the pits)
Then the TASCC rules changed to say it had to be completely separate in store, then about 12-15 years ago it was stopped altogether.
Easy enough to grow 3T/ac and put 5T/ac on a mass balance calculation for those willing to launder none assured grain.Presumably this legitimate loophole involves someone being economical with the facts when they dutifully fill out their Mass Balance calculation.
Remind me again who controls TASCC, it wouldn’t be the AIC would it?TASCC assured stores are now limited to handling RT assured grain only.
A long time ago TASCC stores could take non-assured grain in and then outload it as TASCC assured (as long as there was a magic wand near the pits)
Then the TASCC rules changed to say it had to be completely separate in store, then about 12-15 years ago it was stopped altogether.
Why in the world would you give them remotely accurate figures for mass balance- just handing power to the merchants who would use the information to manipulate prices in their favourPresumably this legitimate loophole involves someone being economical with the facts when they dutifully fill out their Mass Balance calculation.
My local Grain Coop 120000+tons cant nor wont take in non assured grain neither thats how it is.Watch Wardys waffle on the utube tonight - as he says, very difficult to find anyone to buy it.
Only because the NFU and AIC have worked together to make it so. There is no other reason!My local Grain Coop 120000+tons cant nor wont take in non assured grain neither thats how it is.
Made all of mine up how can i say what i have in the shed without it being weighed?Why in the world would you give them remotely accurate figures for mass balance- just handing power to the merchants who would use the information to manipulate prices in their favour
I did my mass balance in Troy ounces! I told the inspector I wasn’t happy showing him it, he asked me had I done it. I said yes and he ticked the box. I didn’t need to show him it in the end.Made all of mine up how can i say what i have in the shed without it being weighed?
They really thought this one out didnt they.
When i had my yearly inspection the fellow just seen i had filled in several sheets of there fancy nonsence form & the box on his sheet was ticked.
Its just a complete farce
like ive said its a total farce but now i know it is thats what they will get the next time they come.I did my mass balance in Troy ounces! I told the inspector I wasn’t happy showing him it, he asked me had I done it. I said yes and he ticked the box. I didn’t need to show him it in the end.
Did exactly the sameI initially refused to give an answer but was threatened with not carrying out the assurance visit so I made it clear that I was supplying completely made up figures - fudge them!
Find anywhere that will take it at the same value as so called assured. its like a bit grey hand gets put in front of you thou shall not pass or in this case we dont want it unfortunatlyAs there's been so much discussion on here about Red Tractor lately, I was wondering what the difference is between assured and non-assured grain. I've heard that it could be as little as £3 a ton, or as much as 25%. If it was to the former, then I would drop it for certain. One thing I do know from talking to lorry drivers over the years is that it almost always goes into the same heap regardless of its status.
That now makes sence. thanks (Still just a big con tho) but us The Farmers know thatTASCC assured stores are now limited to handling RT assured grain only.
A long time ago TASCC stores could take non-assured grain in and then outload it as TASCC assured (as long as there was a magic wand near the pits)
Then the TASCC rules changed to say it had to be completely separate in store, then about 12-15 years ago it was stopped altogether.
Even the pen pushers at RT must realise that it is completely pointless insisting that we produce data which they have no means of validating. Prove that my grain in store B wasn’t 9 degrees on 8th September. It is the ultimate bureaucracy, billions of pieces of valueless data which “could” be completely made up!Made all of mine up how can i say what i have in the shed without it being weighed?
They really thought this one out didnt they.
When i had my yearly inspection the fellow just seen i had filled in several sheets of there fancy nonsence form & the box on his sheet was ticked.
Its just a complete farce
What if the crop is way short its end yield? your buggered then aint you. poss why most isnt done that way.Perhaps the answer is to have a buyer and negotiate a contract before you plant the crop?
I'm always surprised that people think they can just grow what they want, when they want and have a mob of people wanting to buy it with no requirements