Is spreading slurry allowed now??

[wanton dwarf]

As much as I hate all these rules, it’s easy enough to see why they get brought in.
Not too far from here there’s a 350 cow dairy farm just outside of the NVZ, they had a big push emptying slurry onto their maize ground just before Christmas so that they didn’t have to spread again until new year, they’ve got 2 weeks storage provided it doesn’t rain too much

How many Water Works have been dumping raw sewerage in Rivers during all this time ?

I bet the Nitrate that comes out their pipes doesn't even counted NVZ or not.

The Environment Agency literally waved legislation through to allow rivers and water sources to be polluted. But that's okay because some random farm with 350 cows will take the blame.

 

[czechmate]

How many Water Works have been dumping raw sewerage in Rivers during all this time ?

I bet the Nitrate that comes out their pipes doesn't even counted NVZ or not.

The Environment Agency literally waved legislation through to allow rivers and water sources to be polluted. But that's okay because some random farm with 350 cows will take the blame.

But you can hardly expect to get away with killing someone because your neighbour killed two

 

[wanton dwarf]

But you can hardly expect to get away with killing someone because your neighbour killed two

What do you do to put life into a new Pond ?

Either if you know or when you have looked up what you do.

Reread what you've written and justify it.

 

[Campani]

How many Water Works have been dumping raw sewerage in Rivers during all this time ?

I bet the Nitrate that comes out their pipes doesn't even counted NVZ or not.

The Environment Agency literally waved legislation through to allow rivers and water sources to be polluted. But that's okay because some random farm with 350 cows will take the blame.

To think there are no farms polluting rivers is incredibly naive.

 

[Al R]

To think there are no farms polluting rivers is incredibly naive.

Of course there are some and most have been rightly prosecuted in recent years, talking to some recently who had very limited supplies with thousands of animals they are building more and more lagoons to hold slurry for each block of land so they can pump onto the land after silage has been taken off! Impressive figures were told of how much they’d save in fertiliser etc by moving to dribble bars and utilising the slurry better than they were 5 years ago!

But meanwhile the water companies don’t get prosecuted at all. Next year I’ll put a recording device to watch for foxes (above the local sewage plant which was by passed this summer to let sewage flow straight into a nearby busy harbour) odd how the WW tankers arrive after 5pm and are always gone by 8am

 

[wanton dwarf]

To think there are no farms polluting rivers is incredibly naive.

It's incredibly naive to keep castigating farmers based on opinion rather than facts.

 

[wanton dwarf]

But you can hardly expect to get away with killing someone because your neighbour killed two

You dump well rotted manure into a pond to give it new life.

Now notice we don't dump raw sewerage or biosolids.

That's because it's full of bacteria, virus's, drugs, hormones, sanity products, heavy metals and god knows what else - which just so happens to kill life.

There is a significant distinction between the two to the extent that human waste from "Water Companies" is to a certain extent toxic.

 

[Tarw Coch]

You dump well rotted manure into a pond to give it new life.

Now notice we don't dump raw sewerage or biosolids.

That's because it's full of bacteria, virus's, drugs, hormones, sanity products, heavy metals and god knows what else - which just so happens to kill life.

There is a significant distinction between the two to the extent that human waste from "Water Companies" is to a certain extent toxic.

A mates wife used to work in the labs at a major water plant on the riverside next to a city where the water was taken out for drinking water. They had some sort of automated monitoring in place to detect pollution entering the water supply from the river.
Whenever the alarms went off they would investigate what the cause was and if it was a bit of slurry/silage effluent upsetting the alarms they’d switch them off, go to the canteen for a brew and usually by the time they got back the situation had resolved itself.
There was also a major and well known to farmers chemical company upstream, if pollution was detected from their it was an imediate shut down for 24 hours.

Whilst farm pollution ain’t particularly nice, it was considered that a few natural bugs weren’t particularly harmful to human health in comparison to chemical toxins.

 

[Tarw Coch]

How many Water Works have been dumping raw sewerage in Rivers during all this time ?

I bet the Nitrate that comes out their pipes doesn't even counted NVZ or not.

The Environment Agency literally waved legislation through to allow rivers and water sources to be polluted. But that's okay because some random farm with 350 cows will take the blame.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, farmers need to be taking reasonable steps to avoid pollution, indeed I’m sure the vast majority do,

What the sewage companies are getting away with is hideously wrong though, discharging regularly direct into watercourses and getting away with it is beyond belief, it’s on another level compared to some farmers bad practice spreading manure at inappropriate times.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Two wrongs don’t make a right, farmers need to be taking reasonable steps to avoid pollution, indeed I’m sure the vast majority do,

Regardless.

Where is the evidence of pollution ?

If farming was causing any kind of pollution to speak off we'd be "mining" ditches to put the Nitrogen & PK back on the land.

We are being led down the garden path whilst being knifed in the back.

 

[wanton dwarf]

What the sewage companies are getting away with is hideously wrong though, discharging regularly direct into watercourses and getting away with it is beyond belief, it’s on another level compared to some farmers bad practice spreading manure at inappropriate times.

The NOT Environment Agency doesn't give a monkey's. In response to obvious pollution they handed Water Companies a get out of jail free card - as they have for years.

Same as the BS that is planting trees in the UK whilst merrily letting the Amazon and other rainforests be chopped down. The NOT Environmental Government were only too happy to have a trade deal with Brazil.

"Recycling" and fining UK peoples £1000 for putting the wrong item in the wrong bin, whilst mountains of UK Plastic Waste gets burnt in Asia. London waste being burnt in Holland for energy - you could not make this BS up.

I'm just going to ignore all the fake Environmental BS - these people are only interested in destroying UK jobs & business so VERY rich people can make more money importing everything.

 

[neilo]

Two wrongs don’t make a right, farmers need to be taking reasonable steps to avoid pollution, indeed I’m sure the vast majority do,

What the sewage companies are getting away with is hideously wrong though, discharging regularly direct into watercourses and getting away with it is beyond belief, it’s on another level compared to some farmers bad practice spreading manure at inappropriate times.

Absolutely this^. Farms spreading slurry on waterlogged soils next to watercourses in the middle of winter should be hauled over the coals IMO, but it is a small minority.

However, water companies using every derogation they can to release raw sewage into those watercourses, whilst paying dividends to shareholders, should be come down on like a ton of bricks. It was a mistake ever putting utilities like water into private hands, making it harder to come down on the charlatans. It is frankly criminal that they’ve been allowed to get away with it for so long.

 

[mtx.jag]

As much as I hate all these rules, it’s easy enough to see why they get brought in.
Not too far from here there’s a 350 cow dairy farm just outside of the NVZ, they had a big push emptying slurry onto their maize ground just before Christmas so that they didn’t have to spread again until new year, they’ve got 2 weeks storage provided it doesn’t rain too much

We pump out on one farm every 7/10 days depending on rain fall,roll in NVZ in 2024

 

[Tarw Coch]

We pump out on one farm every 7/10 days depending on rain fall,roll in NVZ in 2024

I would imagine it’s going to be a right PITA for contractors with umbilicals, what is currently steady work over winter will come to a halt for 3 1/2 months, what will they find for the men to do instead?yet the sh!t will still be being produced and will all need shifting at the end of the closed period, how will that be managed? Twice as much men and machinery?
The rates will have to go up

 

[mtx.jag]

I would imagine it’s going to be a right PITA for contractors with umbilicals, what is currently steady work over winter will come to a halt for 3 1/2 months, what will they find for the men to do instead?yet the sh!t will still be being produced and will all need shifting at the end of the closed period, how will that be managed? Twice as much men and machinery?
The rates will have to go up

We have enough transfer work to keep me and one full time guy busy over the winter pumping to lagoons off the farm etc. but we are just small fry compared to some of the other contractors around us running 12 tractors and men full time,I wouldn’t want to be in there shoes.

 

[Will Blackburn]

I would imagine it’s going to be a right PITA for contractors with umbilicals, what is currently steady work over winter will come to a halt for 3 1/2 months, what will they find for the men to do instead?yet the sh!t will still be being produced and will all need shifting at the end of the closed period, how will that be managed? Twice as much men and machinery?
The rates will have to go up

They’ll be spreading dirty water all winter.

 

[mtx.jag]

They’ll be spreading dirty water all winter.

Which is another very grey area

 

[Lazy Sod]

Small dairy farm in the NVZ with 100 cows near here has just their buildings, farmhouse and enough land to store their round baled silage squeezed between the road and the river. all their land is the other side of the road and in other villages, some of it rented. They have virtually no storage and spread slurry and solid muck throughout the year. I don't know how they get away with it.

 

[Tarw Coch]

They’ll be spreading dirty water all winter.

Maybe, but if In a NVZ and the EA come calling they’ll have to be able to show their storage calculations and figures for what has gone where and when.
Having had two EA inspectors sat at the kitchen table for several hours checking my paperwork, making notes and running figures through their calculators I don’t think passing them off with we were only spreading dirty will impress them

 

[mtx.jag]

Maybe, but if In a NVZ and the EA come calling they’ll have to be able to show their storage calculations and figures for what has gone where and when.
Having had two EA inspectors sat at the kitchen table for several hours checking my paperwork, making notes and running figures through their calculators I don’t think passing them off with we were only spreading dirty will impress them