Wilder Britain ...

[Dry Rot]

The difference being is that we inflict it on them, if possible it should be humane.

So I should have let my old German shepherd die slowly from cancer because it's "natural" rather than putting a bullet in the back of her head? I see no different to that than putting a bullet in the back of an old stag's head to save it the suffering of dieing through hunger over the winter. (I have his antlers on my wall as I write so 'trophy taking' makes it even more shocking!). Both jobs gave me satisfaction and relief because they were done properly. I miss my old dog as much as I miss the passing of one of my parents but I wasn't jumping with joy at the death of the stag either.

Why this obsession that there is something bad about death and even inflicting death -- or getting satisfaction from doing it well? My father was lucky to die naturally in his 90s because the surgeons wanted to amputate both his legs to prevent gangrene. Fortunately for him, the Grim Reaper got there first. Explain how the surgical route would have been "more humane"?

 

[Dry Rot]

Shooting unfortunately isn't practical in all areas, flushing them out with dogs and then shooting them works well. Bulk of the time the fox has gone underground anyway.

A good friend of mine kept a bobbery pack of lurchers and terriers. When he heard my hens were disappearing, he suggested a walk around on Sunday. We strolled, the dogs worked. Twenty minutes later, there were five panting dogs and a dead fox. I have never seen anything so efficient in fox control in my life. The alternative was wire snares (since regulated) which I had to use the next year. I caught twenty foxes on the same 600 acres. Why don't the townies leave it to the country people who know about such things and have been managing quite well without their help for hundreds of years??

 

[toquark]

Maybe George, you'd do well to spend time with some actual farmers or land managers (not a suburban horse yard) before you go espousing your views on those who are.

It's not so much a criticism, as a genuine suggestion. You write quite well and you're obviously interested in the subject so why not educate yourself a little? Get off forums and into the real world with an open mind.

 

[egbert]

A good friend of mine kept a bobbery pack of lurchers and terriers. When he heard my hens were disappearing, he suggested a walk around on Sunday. We strolled, the dogs worked. Twenty minutes later, there were five panting dogs and a dead fox. I have never seen anything so efficient in fox control in my life. The alternative was wire snares (since regulated) which I had to use the next year. I caught twenty foxes on the same 600 acres. Why don't the townies leave it to the country people who know about such things and have been managing quite well without their help for hundreds of years??

It's a tale I've oft told...but it stands another outing.

As a lad, i rented a bit of grass keep from a retired farmer pal.
I put 20-25 double couples there in the spring, getting them off Dads overcrowded hill farm.
My pal was keeping an eye, and watched distraught as a lamb a night started to go.
He was a very keen shot, and went out at every hour of the night with the 12 bore...but couldn't get a sight of the culprit.
After 5-6 nights, each dawn revealed another missing lamb, and we phoned the MFH.
He turned up the next dawn with 2-3 couple, and a shovel.
In no time flat the hounds were marking a hole 200-300 meters into some adjoining woodland.
They dug and dispatched a 3 legged fox.
The lambs stopped going.

As neat as it could possibly be.

 

[Dry Rot]

It's a tale I've oft told...but it stands another outing.

As a lad, i rented a bit of grass keep from a retired farmer pal.
I put 20-25 double couples there in the spring, getting them off Dads overcrowded hill farm.
My pal was keeping an eye, and watched distraught as a lamb a night started to go.
He was a very keen shot, and went out at every hour of the night with the 12 bore...but couldn't get a sight of the culprit.
After 5-6 nights, each dawn revealed another missing lamb, and we phoned the MFH.
He turned up the next dawn with 2-3 couple, and a shovel.
In no time flat the hounds were marking a hole 200-300 meters into some adjoining woodland.
They dug and dispatched a 3 legged fox.
The lambs stopped going.

As neat as it could possibly be.

That was a service operated by many hunts. Not sure what happens now. Man seen carrying a spade and accompamied by a small dog? Get the police helicopter out! (Probably someone on the way to his allotment!). Back when I was a boy, trenches for sewage or electricity cables were dug by hand. You were sure to get a smile if you asked, "Can you hear 'em?". I wonder how many here know what that means?

 

[JP1]

Whilst the video still stays up on FB

German footage of the fifth dog kill in a week by wolves

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157649924936861

 

[egbert]

Whilst the video still stays up on FB

German footage of the fifth dog kill in a week by wolves

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157649924936861

grim watching innit?

 

[JP1]

grim watching innit?

Yes. Very good mate posted that up on FB , so I thought it worth sharing

 

[Bury the Trash]

Yes. Very good mate posted that up on FB , so I thought it worth sharing

cant they deal with that ? do they not have guns? or bait / trap?

 

[egbert]

cant they deal with that ? do they not have guns? or bait / trap?

shoot a wolf in Germland, and you're off to jail mate.

 

[Bury the Trash]

shoot a wolf in Germland, and you're off to jail mate.

Germany relaxes law on shooting wolves – DW – 12/20/2019

Germany has made it easier for farmers to kill wild wolves. A new law should help farmers better protect their livestock now that the wolf population in Germany is on the rise.

www.dw.com

i wouldn't stand by and allow that to happen to my dogs or stock , mate.

 

[Dry Rot]

Very very interesting footage. Unless I've got this wrong, the wolf approaches appearing to want to make friends. Tail wagging and taking a low profile. then when the dog turns it's head, the wolf grabs it by the side of the neck. Difficult to see who has caught who but they seem to be jaw in jaw. From there on, the wolf is seriously intent on murder and seems to know exactly what it is doing. I'd guess it has done it before. Anyone agree? Yes, that one definitely needs killing.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Very very interesting footage. Unless I've got this wrong, the wolf approaches appearing to want to make friends. Tail wagging and taking a low profile. then when the dog turns it's head, the wolf grabs it by the side of the neck. Difficult to see who has caught who but they seem to be jaw in jaw. From there on, the wolf is seriously intent on murder and seems to know exactly what it is doing. I'd guess it has done it before. Anyone agree? Yes, that one definitely needs killing.

that's how i saw it.

 

[egbert]

Germany relaxes law on shooting wolves – DW – 12/20/2019

Germany has made it easier for farmers to kill wild wolves. A new law should help farmers better protect their livestock now that the wolf population in Germany is on the rise.

www.dw.com

i wouldn't stand by and allow that to happen to my dogs or stock , mate.

don't think it's working as the article suggest.

I'm only repeating what I'm told.

 

[Tubbylew]

shoot a wolf in Germland, and you're off to jail mate.

Just makes crooks of honest folk.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Victim(s) name, age, sex	Date	Type of attack	Location	Notes	Refs
Mathias Koch, 42, male	May 7, 2020	Unprovoked	Soltau Lüneburg Heath, Germany, Germany	A wolf attacked the herd of a shepherd, badly injured a "Heidschnucke"-sheep and circled the man over 45 minutes coming closest 10 meters, who defended his herd and himself by throwing stones and sticks. Only when his superior arrived by car, whom he had called by mobile, the wolf stopped and left.

a wolf like that would easily take an unguarded toddler

 

[Dry Rot]

that's how i saw it.

Deliberate deception by the wolf, pretending to be friendly? That must be very rare in the animal kingdom, though not unique. Unless somehow the signals were misinterpreted?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Deliberate deception by the wolf, pretending to be friendly? That must be very rare in the animal kingdom, though not unique. Unless somehow the signals were misinterpreted?

It could be just a simple as the Wolf is hungry and the dog is well fed.

 

[Dry Rot]

It could be just a simple as the Wolf is hungry and the dog is well fed.

There is a whole lot of body language there.

 

[Bury the Trash]

There is a whole lot of body language there.

True.
The dog is Submissive,right up to the point its most vulnerable and gets grabbed.

I wonder if someone could translate the script.