Valtra t214 v 254

[Farma Parma]

To give you a rough idea a 724 profi plus Is more now than a 930 profi plus was 7 years ago. Absolute madness IMO

only pretty much one type of customer can run Fendts successfully & thats deffo not a Tenant Farmer.

 

[fiat 9090]

He is and he will be a very good dealer , very straight sound guy to deal with . I think he will put out a lot of valtra especially to Nh men.
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I bought my 254 versu with the touch screen controls on 710 tyres , front pto for €135 k , I was buying a machine from the fendt dealer at the same time and he knew he wasn’t going to sell me a tractor but I asked him what would a 724 sell for straight and he said not less than €180 k , so €45 k differance . So you think the fendt will be worth more than €45 k more than the valtra with 5000 hrs on them , I think not.

Is there much difference in price between NH and. valtra same spec ,and buy the way would a t190 be big enough for me

 

[fiat 9090]

Is swaine agri not in ur county? Or are they a good bit away from u?

He is only 9 mile away

 

[Norfolk Olly]

only pretty much one type of customer can run Fendts successfully & thats deffo not a Tenant Farmer.

Running them isn’t the problem it’s the initial purchase from a different brand that’s the biggest pill to swallow. Once you’ve made the jump I don’t think there’s much in it as far as running costs and cost to change tbh

 

[mf7480]

New style 724, decent spec is £165,000 on farm

 

[Farma Parma]

Running them isn’t the problem it’s the initial purchase from a different brand that’s the biggest pill to swallow. Once you’ve made the jump I don’t think there’s much in it as far as running costs and cost to change tbh

You dont get the financial payback until you trade that 1st fendt in for the next one tho thats the trouble.
Ive looked at the whole business model of one from all angles & thats how it works.
Yes i dont disagree they have all sorted of standard spec the others still dont seem to give but sorry mr fendt i just cant get too one.

 

[Jo28]

New style 724, decent spec is £165,000 on farm

How much are the equivalent massey and valtra?

 

[Sid]

you need to take trip down to our dealer there is all ways one all over the floor with a gearbox problem

I found out what the creeper box on my valtra was for.
Its for pushing broken down Deeres onto low loaders

Perhaps that one had pushed too many deeres on to lorries

 

[DocPhil001]

Is there much difference in price between NH and. valtra same spec ,and buy the way would a t190 be big enough for me

Don't know about the price but driver comfort in the valtra is miles ahead.

 

[Farma Parma]

I only say what ive seen but there is as many Valtras in a million bits with gearbox issues as there is Masseys with dyna-6 issues.
The Fendt is a diff ball game,Yes there is issues but if n when the vario box gives up you swop for a complete unit & its not that cheap but repairing
even minor issues on the other two is ni on about as dear. thats the frustration unfortunately
Iam not having a single go any any Valtra's as ive never driven one but seeing there dearer than a massey & we all know what there like
i'll stick the fendt sourced vario trans in a red tractor.
Am i no right in thinking the valtra ext warranty you have to pay something everytime there is a claim made??
none of this with the red & green tractors & all owned by Agco ???

 

[Farma Parma]

How much are the equivalent massey and valtra?

you would have to price up a new Massey 8S for 240hp now & its the bigger size but probs no differrent to the Valtra in Q here.
anyone got any 8S prices yet?

 

[Sid]

I only say what ive seen but there is as many Valtras in a million bits with gearbox issues as there is Masseys with dyna-6 issues.
The Fendt is a diff ball game,Yes there is issues but if n when the vario box gives up you swop for a complete unit & its not that cheap but repairing
even minor issues on the other two is ni on about as dear. thats the frustration unfortunately
Iam not having a single go any any Valtra's as ive never driven one but seeing there dearer than a massey & we all know what there like
i'll stick the fendt sourced vario trans in a red tractor.
Am i no right in thinking the valtra ext warranty you have to pay something everytime there is a claim made??
none of this with the red & green tractors & all owned by Agco ???

I had an issue with gearbox on my old Valtra.
What it needed was the back wheel off, plate removed, old part removed new part put in.
2 hours labour and less than £50 in parts.

Know of a fendt locally that's on its 3rd new engine is less than 1000 hours!
All under warranty so that's ok.

Know of a NH that had to be split after less than 10 hours.

Know of a JD that blew multiple head gaskets.

Know of a fastrac that has 4 new hubs in 5 years.

If it's got tits or wheels it will cost you money!

 

[agri knives]

But a versu isnt vario if i remember correctly? So not a like for like comparrison

Versu does all I need , fendt don’t give a cheaper option . Valtra have the direct for €5 k more . Most people will agree that the sisu 7.4 lt engine in the valtra Is a far better engine than the Deutz in the fendt, so what have fendt got for the extra €40 k , just looking at secondhand values £80 k will buy any 5 year old 724 with 5000 hrs , what other tractor can loose 80 k in 5000 hrs.

 

[agri knives]

Is there much difference in price between NH and. valtra same spec ,and buy the way would a t190 be big enough for me

Do you mean a new t194, if so it won’t have enough power for the big wagon . If you mean a secondhand t190 then you might have enough power , the t190 I have flys with the jumbo.

 

[Speedstar]

Versu does all I need , fendt don’t give a cheaper option . Valtra have the direct for €5 k more . Most people will agree that the sisu 7.4 lt engine in the valtra Is a far better engine than the Deutz in the fendt, so what have fendt got for the extra €40 k , just looking at secondhand values £80 k will buy any 5 year old 724 with 5000 hrs , what other tractor can loose 80 k in 5000 hrs.

A 5 year old 724 with 5000 hours on it would have cost about 100k new so it has lost 20k , you need to get some new batteries in your adding machine jimmy lad

 

[agri knives]

A 5 year old 724 with 5000 hours on it would have cost about 100k new so it has lost 20k , you need to get some new batteries in your adding machine jimmy lad

What I meant was the cost to trade up, I have a deal done on the 254 already to change it at 5000 hrs for €60 k, a 724 would cost £80 or €90k , so I’m €30 k better off by not having a fendt , I also have a 5 year warranty on the tractor , so I know exactly what it will cost me , with fendt popping engines for sport , you never know what your running cost are going to be.

 

[M-J-G]

Versu does all I need , fendt don’t give a cheaper option . Valtra have the direct for €5 k more . Most people will agree that the sisu 7.4 lt engine in the valtra Is a far better engine than the Deutz in the fendt, so what have fendt got for the extra €40 k , just looking at secondhand values £80 k will buy any 5 year old 724 with 5000 hrs , what other tractor can loose 80 k in 5000 hrs.

The Deutz engine in the Fendt seems to give more problems than a Deutz engine in a Deutz.
I'm told it's thought to be caused by exhaust breaks on the engines built for Fendts.

 

[Speedstar]

What I meant was the cost to trade up, I have a deal done on the 254 already to change it at 5000 hrs for €60 k, a 724 would cost £80 or €90k , so I’m €30 k better off by not having a fendt , I also have a 5 year warranty on the tractor , so I know exactly what it will cost me , with fendt popping engines for sport , you never know what your running cost are going to be.

you can have a 10,000 hour warranty on a fendt , your 60k sounds a lot to swap a fendt would less than that & it is a far better tractor to start with our lads would walk away if you asked them to drive a valtra all day , you do not do many hours if only 5000 in 5 years

 

[HAM135]

I only say what ive seen but there is as many Valtras in a million bits with gearbox issues as there is Masseys with dyna-6 issues.
The Fendt is a diff ball game,Yes there is issues but if n when the vario box gives up you swop for a complete unit & its not that cheap but repairing
even minor issues on the other two is ni on about as dear. thats the frustration unfortunately
Iam not having a single go any any Valtra's as ive never driven one but seeing there dearer than a massey & we all know what there like
i'll stick the fendt sourced vario trans in a red tractor.
Am i no right in thinking the valtra ext warranty you have to pay something everytime there is a claim made??
none of this with the red & green tractors & all owned by Agco ???

Definitely wrong about the warranty,both ours are on 5yr warranties,not had many claims but never had a bill.

 

[stevedave]

We use to run Fendt but went away for a number of reasons. In our experience are Fendt dearer to buy? Yes . Are they more reliable? No. Are the running costs lower?No. Are they worth more second hand? Yes Is the cost to change same for same less? No. You will only unlock the second hand value of a Fendt by cashing in your chips and going for another cheaper make. Did owning a Fendt stack up financially yes and no. Anyone who says they are the only way to go is wrong. Anyone who says they are unreliable and will bankrupt you is wrong my advice is if you get into a Fendt stay there ( I'm fully aware we didn't) they are not something you can afford to change makes like going from MF to NH to Case to Claas or the like.