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Really? I thought they were vicious nasty predatorsAbsolutely fück all.
Wolves aren't going to bother a subterranean dwelling mesopredator.
Really? I thought they were vicious nasty predatorsAbsolutely fück all.
Wolves aren't going to bother a subterranean dwelling mesopredator.
Ever hunted badgers? They’re fairly difficult to access without a lot of digging.Really? I thought they were vicious nasty predators
even without the subterranean bit Badgers still would be a challenge for wolves as compared to calves sheep,goats Fawns hedge hogs domestic cats small dogs ...theres a long list....of far easier targetsReally? I thought they were vicious nasty predators
even without the subterranean bit Badgers still would be a challenge for wolves as compared to calves sheep,goats Fawns hedge hogs domestic cats small dogs ...theres a long list....of far easier targets
No, no, no! I’ll think you’ll find that no wolves will be released before they have read @GeorgeC1 ‘s ‘experts’ report, and signed to say that they won’t touch farmed livestock.
I'm not sadly deluded on that score and would be seriously worried about keeping livestock in such an environment. I'm not sure I would fancy walking out on my own in certain circumstances either.Anyone who thinks any apex predator is simply going to pass by a field of nice tasty lambs or cattle in easy to catch 5 acre fields, to dig up a b badger to eat is sadly deluded, and has no idea how animals hunt to survive, perhaps the rewilders will have to rip up the enclosure act, and accept livestock guardian dogs as part of life as a consequence. Worlds apart from reality.
I think in George's defence, he hasn't decided anything. Please don't call him arrogant, it's not part of the debate, or is irrelevant anyway.Youve still not explained any advantage to sheep farmers of having apex predators or why they should be reintroduced in the first place
If the 'inefficient' businesses fold and there are no sheep what do the predators eat or are we supposed to keep farming to provide food for something that you've decided would be a good idea to reintroduce. Your arrogance is beyond belief.
Daft thing to write on a public forum...Ever hunted badgers? They’re fairly difficult to access without a lot of digging.
I'm not sadly deluded on that score and would be seriously worried about keeping livestock in such an environment. I'm not sure I would fancy walking out on my own in certain circumstances either.
I think in George's defence, he hasn't decided anything. Please don't call him arrogant, it's not part of the debate, or is irrelevant anyway.
Well I think it's a brilliant idea. Re introduce wolves and Lynxtoo our woodlands. While we're at it extend the right to roam so everyone can see these wonderful creatures in nature.
BUT.
When someone's child or pets are killed by an apex predator with no reason to fear man (because they would never experience being hunted by man). I want the people responsible for the release to be stood on a stage, shown the mutilated bodies and forced too tell the parents or owners that it's ok. They were here a thousand years ago when the population was much smaller. It's natural. Personally I'd sit on my boundary with the rifle waiting.
Getting back to the subject of the original post, is there anyone who would object to Golden Eagles re-expanding their range back to Wales without human assistance? (or persecution)
Daft thing to write on a public forum...
Are you saying that mink were reintroduced? I don't think they are native to Britain and I don't know anyone who thinks their release has been good for the natural environment for the reasons you have highlighted. I could be wrong.
How lovely for you; do you like it most when they squeal in terror or agony?Hunting badgers with terriers is perfectly legal across mainland Europe. My Hungarian friends think it’s hilarious the U.K. protects a badger so.
Any and all badger hunting I’ve done has been in places where it’s legal, as part of my annual pilgrimages to Budapest.
I don't think I have said I am in favour of releasing wolves into the uk, but I find ecosystems and wildlife fascinating. As I said earlier, some things would be very different with wolves around. Some good some bad.Oh, so you are in favour of releasing wolves provided it won't affect your livestock or your enjoyment of walking around the countryside?
How lovely for you; do you like it most when they squeal in terror or agony?
Because cornered, terrified animals do; and you didn't nswer my question.Why would they squeal in terror or agony?
Off topic, but the job of the terrier is to locate the badger and keep it in place, not fight the badger. The terrier does this by barking. Once the badger is dug down to its killed with a shotgun to the head.
There is no badger baiting. Such unethical practices would quickly earn censure from the local hunt master and probably result in suspension of hunting license.
It's ethical non toxic pest control with zero chance of wounding. Many times the badger is also eaten.
The dogs are at greater risk when we hunt wild boar.
The best example is of the reintroduction of wolves to the Yellowstone national park in America. Lots been written about that and the effect on the ecosystemCan anyone give a list of the actual benefits of releasing these apex predators, and I don't need some wishy washy drivel about ' improving ecosystems', attracting tourism, etc
How are they going to improve an ecosystem? Explain propoerly and in detail. Whats the matter with the ecosystem. Why does it need changing? and in whose opinion?
How are they going to benefit tourism? How many people will really want to tramp around in bracken and rushes in the hope of spotting a wolf or a lynx? How will that benefit the local community? The thought of these 'lovely wild animals ' is fine if you live many miles away from the consequences. I often wonder what proportion of paid up members of the RSPB actually go out of their own gardens to look at birds.
Hard facts is what is needed not just some pie in the sky ideas of somebody who sits in an office and likes the thought (and the money) of some rural zoo in what is a grossly overpopulated small island.
Ok no worries - once you have persuaded the government to buy 900,000Ha in one parcel and moved all the occupants out give us a shout:-The best example is of the reintroduction of wolves to the Yellowstone national park in America. Lots been written about that and the effect on the ecosystem
THE ACT OF DEDICATION[31]
AN ACT to set apart a certain tract of land lying near the headwaters of the Yellowstone River as a public park. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the tract of land in the Territories of Montana and Wyoming ... is hereby reserved and withdrawn from settlement, occupancy, or sale under the laws of the United States, and dedicated and set apart as a public park or pleasuring ground for the benefit and enjoyment of the people; and all persons who shall locate, or settle upon, or occupy the same or any part thereof, except as hereinafter provided, shall be considered trespassers and removed there from ...
Approved March 1, 1872.
Signed by:
- ULYSSES S. GRANT, President of the United States.
- SCHUYLER COLFAX, Vice-President of the United States and President of the Senate.
- JAMES G. BLAINE, Speaker of the House.
It's like comparing apples to eggs though, yellowstone is 8991sq km with a few thousand people living there, north yorkshire is 8654 sq km with 1,158,816 people in 2019 north york moors national park receives nearly 8 million visitors annually, where yellostone only get 4 million, don't get me wrong i'm reasonably openminded about re introduction of some species, provided me and mine, are given sufficient recourse to deal with the problems that come with it. What I do take issue with, is the thought by the rewilders that trying to wind the ecological clock back is some kind of silver bullet to wipe all mankinds ills, it's dangerously naive.The best example is of the reintroduction of wolves to the Yellowstone national park in America. Lots been written about that and the effect on the ecosystem